Palestinian statehood in the real world: ICC will convict Palestian war criminals...

The government of Israel is of course concerned (not "afraid"). No one wants to be sued, dragged through the mud for years with all the negative publicity and multimillion dollar expenses associated with the defense even if at the end they are found not guilty. So of course the government of Israel tries to avoid that. Would you like to be sued even if you were completely innocent? See, I did not think you would.

That said it's a two way street and Israel can sue every member of Hamas and Fatah as well...moreover with Israel's excellent intelligence gathering capabilities their chances of securing convictions for the terrorist scum are infinitely higher. (See the OP)

 

You are only assuming that they're innocent. Please explain what exactly they are "innocent" of?

 

Don't count on it.

"Pursuant to the Rome Statute, the Prosecutor can initiate an investigation on the basis of a referral from any State Party or from the United Nations Security Council. In addition, the Prosecutor can initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court received from individuals or organisations ('communications')." http://www.icc-cpi.int/EN_Menus/ICC/Situations and Cases/Pages/situations and cases.aspx

The word "can" could have been used before now. So historically there is no evidence that the court would investigate anything the Palestinians do, such as attacks by those whose Charter advocates Genocide (Hamas) by this definition of the ICC:

Article 6 (a)
Genocide by killing
Elements
1. The perpetrator killed2 one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction. http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/336923D8-A6AD-40EC-AD7B-45BF9DE73D56/0/ElementsOfCrimesEng.pdf

Article 6 (b)
Genocide by causing serious bodily or mental harm
Elements
1. The perpetrator caused serious bodily or mental harm to one or more persons.3
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.

The court already has all it needs to find all Hamas...guilty of Genocide by killing and Genocide by mental harm.

Not a good track record, because action requires the Security Council, in essence the court has no bailiff:

http://www.icc-cpi.int/en_menus/icc...uation icc 0205/Pages/situation icc-0205.aspx

According to the United Nations (of tyrants too) Israel is currently occupying Palestinian land, and the United Nations (of tyrants too) has no definition of the word "terrorism," so I think the court will ignore Israeli complaints against "liberal" freedom fighters and only listen to Palestinian complaints.

One of our traitors would have only given us "some protection from politically motivated prosecutions"; the ICC violates "consent of the governed," without total protection from "politically motivated prosecutions." What one defines as a "civilian" is important.

“Attack directed against a civilian population” in these context elements is understood to mean a course of conduct involving the multiple commission of acts referred to in article 7, paragraph 1, of the Statute against any civilian population, pursuant to or in furtherance of a State or organizational policy to commit such attack. The acts need not constitute a military attack. It is understood that “policy to commit such attack” requires that the State or organization actively promote or encourage such an attack against a civilian population.6" http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/336923D8-A6AD-40EC-AD7B-45BF9DE73D56/0/ElementsOfCrimesEng.pdf

Israel just agreed to a cease-fire that prohibits targeting of individuals such as Hamas leaders, which according to the Charter are soldiers but according the UN are civilians:

"The Islamic Resistance Movement is Composed of Soldiers:
Article Thirty-Six:" http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

"SECRETARY-GENERAL STRONGLY CONDEMNS ISRAEL’S ASSASSINATION OF HAMAS LEADER,
WHICH RESULTED IN DEATHS OF EIGHT OTHERS
The following statement was issued today by the Spokesman for Secretary-General Kofi:
The Secretary-General strongly condemns Israel’s assassination of Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, which resulted in the deaths of eight others. He is concerned that such an action would lead to further bloodshed and death and acts of revenge and retaliation. He reiterates that extrajudicial killings are against international law and calls on the Government of Israel to immediately end this practice. The only way to halt an escalation in the violence is for the parties to work towards a viable negotiating process aimed at a just, lasting and comprehensive settlement."
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/sgsm9210.doc.htm

So by legal precedent any targeting of Hamas (civilian clothed terrorists) is a "Article 8 (2) (a) (i) War crime of wilful killing" of "Such person or persons were protected under one or more of the Geneva Conventions of 1949."

"The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups." (Article 7 (1) (j) Crime against humanity of apartheid) http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/336923D8-A6AD-40EC-AD7B-45BF9DE73D56/0/ElementsOfCrimesEng.pdf

Certainly the Palestinians want to use that one, but the wording of racial group my be an problem.

"Article 8 (2) (a) (iv) War crime of destruction and appropriation of property" (ibid)

Israel will be found guilty of that one.

"Article 8 (2) (a) (viii) War crime of taking hostages" (ibid)

Hamas did that one, and the ICC did nothing.

Article 8 (2) (b) (i) War crime of attacking civilians...The object of the attack was a civilian population as such or individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities." (ibid)

Hamas did that one just recently, and the ICC did nothing.

"Article 8 (2) (b) (vii)-3 War crime of improper use of a flag, insignia or uniform of the United Nations" (ibid)

Hamas did that one, and the ICC did nothing.

"Article 8 (2) (b) (viii)
The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory" (ibid)

Israel will be found guilty of that one, especially if it continues the practice.

"Article 8 (2) (b) (vii)-2
War crime of improper use of a flag, insignia or uniform of the hostile party" (ibid)

Notice there is no prohibition of using civilian clothes to facilitate an attack.

Hence when I debated a person who claimed to have helped draft the Rome Treaty, it was noted and they repeatedly refused to condemn this:

“'If terrorists are so faceless as you say how is it we know and have known who they are? How is it they have told us and continue to tell us who they are - these people have faces and they are playing by the rules of warfare - attack, kill or terrorize the opposition.' (evryman69)

Why not go on record as to whether you agree with your “liberal” comrade that Osama is 'playing by the rules of warfare?' What about Hamas and other terrorist groups?"

So in conclusion, Israel is in for a world of hurt if the Democratic Party of Treason once again signs and its Senate ratifies the Rome Treaty, or at some point does not protect Israel at the Security Council (where the ICC's bailiff resides).

 

Ho, ho, the very last place on earth that any Israeli neoZionist fascist wants to go is anywhere at all in the vicinity of an international court !!

 

Okay, so then civilian clothes are the uniform of enemy combatants in that field.

 

If not in uniform, combatants from an enemy STATE in civilian clothes are spies or terrorists and may be executed on the spot, without trial.

Really, civillian clothes are not a good uniform....wear a hat or something.

 

Oy vey, Borat, see, I think deviant Jews have most to worry about, and that is born out of the fact that they were desperate for this vote to go better for them, and, of course, if they had nothing to hide, they would not be getting their proxy puppets to be trying to strike deals, and say they would vote yes, if they did not press for ICC charges, against chosenites.

 

Who were Jews...so that fits...

 

Sure they do. They don't need this sh*t, they have other things to worry about, they don't want to be dragged through the mud (mudslinging is the only thing your ilk is good at) even if at the end they will be found innocent. But mark my words, if push comes to shove, your terrorist brethren will go to jail, the Israeli cases will probably not even be prosecuted (due to very high reputation of Israeli courts prosecuting them) and if they are they will be acquitted.

That's simple Jack, while honest innocent people don't want to be sued, you and your Islamofascist terrorist buddies are the real child-murdering human-shield using criminals. There is no getting around this fact. Israel having amazing intelligence gathering capabilities will provide a ton of irrefutable evidence and any court will easily prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

 

I didn't know that

 

Yup, Kosher mafia.

And actually very over rated.

They were not in the same league as the Richardson's..


http://stephiblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/the-krays-twins-nonces-ponces-mugs/

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Twin brothers Ronald "Ronnie" Kray (24 October 1933 – 17 March 1995) and Reginald "Reggie" Kray (24 October 1933 – 1 October 2000) were English gangsters who were foremost perpetrators of organised crime in London's East End during the 1950s and '60s. Ronald, commonly referred to as Ron or Ronnie, most likely suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.

The Krays were an old-fashioned East End family: self sufficient, very clannish and devoted to each other. Their ancestors had arrived in Britain from Austria, and the twins had Irish, Jewish and Romany (gypsy) blood in their veins.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/mob_bosses/kray/up_2.html

 

that make em jewish? were any of the parents jews? were any of their grandparents jews? or does your definition of jew exceed even the nazis?

for some reason you seem awfully fascinated with blood lines as tho you believe in the concept of pureblood as being something more than an accident of birth. wasssup widdat?

 

you guys and your wet dreams. I luv a good chuckle.

 

The ICC protects them as civilians, only the civilian leadership and military of the country fighting them can be accused of targeting civilians. The original intent of the Geneva Conventions was to protect civilians by requiring insignia and uniforms to qualify for the Geneva Conventions protections, but "Liberal" freedom fighters would not be possible. So the ICC ignores the war crimes of using civilian clothes, as it is not in the Rome Treaty, and because this is about traitor John Kerry only wanting "some protection from politically motivated prosecutions," they ignore the Hamas Charter which makes every Hamas "soldier" and Arab League nation, Moslem Nation, and Persian Nation, supporting Hamas guilty of the appropriate articles with regard to the intent to commit genocide against the Member State of Israel.

 

I don't trust the ICC to be impartial.

 

It's a fair concern of course, the OP article addresses it as well

There is more in the article regarding the ICC's desire to remain viable than what I quoted. They are bureaucrats indeed but there are high profile lawyers, not idiots, and not Islamofascist activists. They don't want the ICC to go the way of the UN Human Rights Council and become the laughingstock of the planet.

PS just days ago the ICC acquitted Croatian generals. Clearly they looked at the evidence and reached the politically incorrect (but fair from the legal standpoint) verdict.

 

You Islamists are living in an oxymoronical world. For your information, Zionists are Jewish nationalists that believe in a Jewish State. You condemn Zionism, which means you do not believe in nation/states, and yet at the same time want the Palestinians to have their own state. Please make up you minds?

Anyway this whole Palestinian thing is ridiculous. There is no way the Israelis will commit national suicide and go along with any resolution coming out of the Islamic controlled General Assembly. I think the U.N. has out lived itself...as has the Hague.

 

I glean from your , overlarge, ponderances that you are against international law and the unification of the world's peace-keeping body. Zionist ? You also offer a false premise. Zionists have not formed a nation State. 25% of Israelis are not Zionists at all. Zionists have formed a majority government of an experimental State, that's all. It is opposed by 80% of the world's represented peoples, including many jews.

 

Now for a little humor:

"It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region," (legitimately elected Palestinian sovereignty)

"I support the abolition of all political borders." (moon)
http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...her-palestinian-hate-crime-8.html#post3767831

Since the legitimate elected Palestinian sovereignty is Islam, therefore, Islam is political, consequently, moon supports abolition of Islam and Palestinian sovereignty.

 

Yes- but using large font in this way is far better than facts and reality.

 

Yes- but using large font in this way is far better than facts and reality.