Palestinians are not (mainly) indigenous to Palestine - Really?

Americans and Europeans don't want a flood of Middle Eastern refugees... The Palestinians .. Christian, Muslim and Jews didn't want a flood of European refugees.

 

Jews are the Indigenous Inhabitants of the Land of Israel
(P.S. There is no Palestine)




For those who know history and understand that Jews are the indigenous people in the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, the following essay provides confirmation. For those who are unsure of their history or unsure of how to deal with the liars and deniers of Jewish and Israeli history, this essay is also for you.


Daniel Greenfield in frontpagemag.com: THE RELIGION OF COLONIALISM


In this essay, Greenfield explains who are the colonizers and who are indigenous in the Land of Israel.


A few excerpts:
But you can't colonize colonizers. The Muslim population in Israel is a foreign colonist population. The indigenous Jewish population can resettle its own country, but it can't colonize it.



Muslims invaded, conquered and settled Israel. They forced their language and laws on the population. That's the definition of colonialism. You can't colonize and then complain that you're being colonized when the natives take back the power that you stole from them.



There are Muslims in Israel for the same reason that there are Muslims in India. They are the remnants of a Muslim colonial regime that displaced and oppressed the indigenous non-Muslim population.



Islam is a religion of colonialism that spread through invasion, settlement and conquest. Its caliphs, from the original invaders, including Omar, to the current Caliph of ISIS, wielded and wield religious authority in the service of the Islamic colonial enterprise.



... instead of taking ownership of their real history, the Muslim settler population evades its guilt through propaganda by claiming to be the victims of colonialism by the indigenous Jewish population. This twisted historical revisionism is backed by bizarre nonsense such as claiming that Jesus was a Palestinian or that the Arabs are descended from the Philistines.



There is much more to read in this very well-written essay.

 

The Hejaz Arabs did NOT settle Palestine in any significant numbers. You don't even need to read some history, because you have been shown the evidence a dozen or more times. So WHY do you keep regurgitating trash? *sigh* Allow me to explain yet again.

Large-scale Arab migration to Palestine is just another Zionist MYTH. Here is a common historical fact, in this case from an ultra-Zionist web site, quoted from one of James Parkes' famous works regarding the 7th C:

Very clear, isn't it, HBendor - "no Arab settlers, only soldiers".

Here is another:

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David Ben-Gurion knew that full well, even though you deny it, HBendor. Other than for Jerusalem, Palestine was of no interest to the Hejaz Arabs; so why would they want to settle it?

Both of the above were referenced from an ultra-Zionist web site - http://www.bjpa.org/publications/downloadFile.cfm?FileID=19027].

Zionist Mega-Myth: "After their 7th C conquest the Arabs settled Palestine. These are the forefathers of the Palestinians.

MYTH BUSTED !!!

Tell me, HBendor since Jewish publications dispute this distortion of history; since David Ben Gurion knew it to be nonsense, why do YOU keep repeating it?
David Ben Gurion knew, HB. Internalise it.

 

Readers, allow me to demonstrate the crass poor quality of the so-called evidence that ultra-Zionists post to defend their land theft and war crimes:

THE Zionist MYTH: “There never was a Palestine in early history”
This giddy lie is presented as fact by literally hundreds of Zionist Web sites. They almost always quote Ms Meir and Dr. Hitti as "proof", just as HBendor attempted.

But it is child’s play to disprove it. Even my 13 year old grand-daughter found the evidence in less than 2 minutes. Yet HB and the MYTH purveyors are forced to use such historical distortions in a transparently inaccurate attempt to gild the Zionist falsehoods.

Here are the REAL facts concerning “There never was a Palestine”:

1) “Palestine” has many names in different languages: (Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn; Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina) [Source: Wikipaedia]
Egyptian records: "Peleset" - ~1150 BCE; Assyrian records: - "Palashtu" or "Pilistu". So ‘Palestine’ has been known since centuries before the time of David. That is a fact. “Never” has been busted. [Ancient Records of Egypt: The first through the seventeenth dynasties edited by James Henry Breasted – accessed on Googlebooks]

2) The word “Plesheth” is a name appearing frequently in the Bible and have started being known as “Philistine” in English. The Philistines occupied a coastal zone roughly equivalent to modern Gaza. Abraham agreed a covenant with a Philistine king (please note, HBendor … a King). They were the main enemy of the Israelites prior to the 10thC BCE. About half were sea migrants; the rest were of Canaanite origin. After various defeats they were absorbed into the Levant populations. [JewishVirtualLibrary; Wikipaedia; The Bible – Zechariah 9 – “but he that remaineth shall be for our God”]. In other words, just as would later happen with the Canaanites (Sensu lato), these coastal people were absorbed into the Jewish bloodline. The Philistines/Palestines lived on in Jewish DNA.

The name Palaistinē continued to feature in later Greek/Hellenic records.

3) In AD 135, the Emperor Hadrian continued the lineage by removing the name “Provincia Judea” and renaming it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”. This was the Latin version of the Greek name and soon became a name to be used as an administrative unit. This name was shortened to Palaestina and the name “Palestine” was derived from it as a modern and anglicized version.

4) The name Palestine was used by the Christian Crusades to regard all three of the divided regions in general and continued to be used for the regions on both sides of the Jordan River in general.

5) Arabs use the name “Falastin” for Palestine which is an Arab pronunciation of the Roman word “Palaestina.”

So, sorry to break the bad news, but my grand daughter found scholarly works to show that the various derivatives of Philistin/Palestine, including Kings and Kingdoms, have been around since well before King David. And their bloodlines and those of the Canaanites lived on, initially in the Jews, then in the Christian converts, then the Muslim converts, and thus into the Ottoman empire where they were a majority from at least the 12thC, and continued to be so until 1948. And all through this ancestral link, they carried the bloodline DNA of the ancient ancestral poeples, just as their brethren the Jews do. We now call them the Palestinians.

If I have time, I will get back to Ben Gurion’s comments on what Dr. Hitti (see video) really meant.

 

I don't believe it!!!!!
The ink is not yet dry, and here is HBendor again, ignoring a mountain of evidence.

The above quote by HBendor is from Daniel Greenfield from the radical Frontpage Magazine. Here is the source which HB did not bother to supply: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262397/religion-colonialism-daniel-greenfield

Compared it to the evidence provided in rebuttal of “Hejaz Arabs settled Israel” – such as the famous scholar of Jewry, James Park. Others such as Israeli historian Porath; the founder of Israel himself, David Ben Gurion. So who is this Daniel Greenfield? He is (to quote Frontpage) “a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, a New York writer focusing on radical Islam”. What is this Shillman Journalism Fellow accolade worth? It is a creation of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. Who is David Horowitz? He promoted a nationwide boycott of "old" Europe goods as a protest against French, German and Belgian opposition to the U.S. war in Iraq in which over 200 000 people died unnecessarily and ISIL was created. Sourcewatch lists Horowitz as one of America's most dangerous hatemongers.

Pretty looney as an impeccable source, right?

But let us not use Horowitz’s proven Islamophobic radicalism to belittle the author of HBendor’s “very well-written eassay”. Instead let us examine what Mr. Greenfield’s evidence is for his claim that the 7th C invading Arabs settled Palestine.

Oy Vey!!

It is *CLANG* empty.
Greenfield “just says it”. There is zero support. And therefore presumably, according to HB, it is “Very well-written”.

Are we all on the same page regarding the value of the essay?

 

ALL your 3 x LAST Posts are unadulterated garbage, stop reading and taking notes from one source and go to an international library for your references.

 

[Lifts the lid and peers inside] *CLANG* hmmm ... it is once again empty.

The Greenfield source was even worse than the video, HB. Time to face reality. You have no ammunition ... never have had.

 

Thanks for the compliments, I have been insulted by professionals!!!

Again the land of Israel is not for you and your brainwashed minions to comment on, there are 8 millions now including the minorities in Israel, another 8-9 million Jews will eventually come to live in their ancestral home...

There is a Hebrew Language, there is a Jewish religions, there are Jewish people, their land is peppered with archaeology, they have a very old written history! No one in his right mind is going to dislocate a people from this country!!!

 

And that written Jewish history shows that the Canaanite bloodline was absorbed into the Israelites, not so?

 

Your personal attack is noted. It shows once again you do not debate the thread but attack the person.

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All you demonstrate is you found some sites that present views you agree with. Your audience is imagined.

Get real. Do you really think you are now a scholar on the origins of Jews because you found some web sites that tell you what you want to hear?

Really?

You really want to pose as a scholar of where Jews come from?


Your attempts to rewrite history do what exactly? Do they uphold your belief that Jews have no right to live in Israel?

Really?

Is that it? Just say so. Say bad Jews go away. Why pose behind some web pages.written by some Jew hatingdiots who have no academic background and are as ignorant about the origins of Jews as they are Arabs and Muslims?

Now what. Should I insert after these articles red letters and exclamation marks?

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/...ist-Jews-are-Israels-indigenous-people-358228

 

Indigenous Jews. What a joke..to even try raise it to deflect from this thread speaks for itself.

If someone actually wants to come on this board and deny Jews come from the Middle East I think speaks for itself.


http://joesisrael.com/370/

http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.ca/2009/02/indigenous-palestinians-were-jewish.html:


"Many people associate the words 'refugees' and 'Palestine' with Palestinian Arab refugees. In fact the first refugees from Gaza - and 'Arab' towns like Lod and Acre - were Jews. David Silon explains that Arab attempts to 'ethnically cleanse' Palestine of Jews, in which the British authorities were complicit, go back to the 1920s. His article published in Think Israel in 2003 is still relevant today.


The popular perception of Israeli history is one of the evil Jews coming from Europe, especially refugees from the Holocaust, settling in Palestine and ending up taking land away from the Palestinians. It's an image that's a culmination of centuries of these types of images as depicted by such literary characters as Shylock, Svengali, and Fagan. Almost everybody in the world considers the Arabs of Israel/Palestine to be indigenous to the region because they look indigenous to the region.

Ironically, the Zionist movement helped to spread this type of perception: Jews coming to an empty land after a 2000-year absence, fighting the indigenous Arab marauders, and making the desert bloom.

Now let's take a look at the facts. There has never been a 2000-year absence. Jews have lived in Israel/Palestine for 4000 years and those Jewish families who have constantly lived in the country since Biblical times, the mustarabim, are the indigenous Palestinians.

The first Arabs came to the country in the 7th century in the wake of their conquering armies after the death of Mohammed. They've been immigrating, and emigrating, ever since, bringing with them their civil wars (in which Jews were severely persecuted by both sides) and their screwed-up environmental concepts that turned forest into desert. Other groups of peoples also immigrated to Israel/Palestine during this time, especially the Druze. (Today, if you call a Druze an Arab, you've just insulted him. This was told to me by a Druze.) Perhaps the earliest Zionist pioneers did have to fight Arab marauders and make the desert bloom, but they did not come to an empty land. Maybe it was sparsely populated, but it was not empty of Jews. "




Good luck pretending these people are not indigenous:

http://mochajuden.com/?p=1671


http://www.jimena.org/about-jimena/

Here's what annoys anti Zionists-the idea we Jews would re-asset our aboriginal identity angers the snot out of them lol:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/binyamin-arazi/reclaiming-jewish-identit_b_7715528.html

 

The tactic of trying to revise history to say Jews are not indigenous to the land can easily be repudiated:

" Response To Common Inaccuracy: Jews have no Connection to Israel


Inaccuracy: Jews are interlopers in the Middle East. The Jews that came to Israel had no connection with the land which was populated solely by indigenous Palestinians.

Response



The Land of Israel – the historical birthplace of the Jewish people, the land promised to Abraham, the site of the holy Temple and David's Kingdom – has been the cornerstone of Jewish religious life since the Jewish exile from the land two thousand years ago, and is embedded in Jewish prayer, ritual, literature and culture.

A small number of Jews lived continuously in the Land of Israel after their exile in the year 70, through Byzantine, Muslim and Crusader rule. At the time of the Ottoman conquest in 1517, Jews lived in Jerusalem, Nablus, Hebron, Safed and in Galilean villages. Over the centuries, Jews made pilgrimages to the holy land. Hundreds of Hasidic Jews immigrated in 1770 from Eastern Europe. Many pious Jews left Eastern Europe in the late 18th and early 19th centuries in order to pray and die in the four sacred cities of the Holy Land: Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias and Hebron.

There has been a continuous presence of Jewish residents in Jerusalem from King David’s time (except for periods when Jews were barred from living in the city), and by 1844, Jews were the largest single religious community in Jerusalem. By 1856, the Jewish population in Palestine was over 17,000. Organized Jewish immigration began in 1880 with the emergence of the modern Zionist movement. The number of Palestinian Arabs living in the area when Jews began arriving en masse in the late 19th century remains the subject of dispute among historians.

The early Zionist pioneers saw the Arab population as small, apolitical, and without a nationalist element and they therefore believed that there would not be friction between the two communities. They also thought that development of the country would benefit both peoples and they would thus secure Arab support and cooperation. Indeed, many Arabs attracted by new employment opportunities, higher wages and better living conditions migrated to Palestine from other countries in the wake of economic growth stimulated by Jewish immigration."

source: http://www.adl.org/israel-internati...t/AG/inaccuracy-jewish-connection-israel.html

So the question becomes why does it?

Why in 2016 do we have people coming on this forum posing as Jewish scholars and quoting hate sites to say ludicrous things about Jews?

For that matter what phacking difference does it make who Palestinians are today?

The fact is most Palestinians today are descended from non Palestinian Arabs who moved to Palestine displacing actual Palestinian Arabs, Jews and Christians. Many who identify as Palestinian or who started calling themselves that in 1967 are Arabs. So?

Who the phack cares? Why does it matter? The roots of Palestinians/Arabs and Jews are semitic. They all came from the Arabian peninsula area and before that Mesopotamia and probably before that when the continents were connected, Africa.

Who the phack cares except some anti Israeli bigots who think they can pose as intellects trying to puff an agenda to say no Jew belongs in the Middle East.

What crap. What absolute crap. Today's Israelis and Palestinians are mostly people born there. Who the phack cares where their blood comes from they live there. They aint going anywhere. What fool tries to deny either has the right to live where they do if they were born there?

You are born somewhere no one asked-you come out of a womb and you take your chances where your mother's damn womb was at the time of birth. Its called life.

Look at the absurd lengths people go to, to try change history and focus on the past to justify denying the hero now and possibility of peace in the future.

Here's the bottom line:

"No people in the world today have an older claim to the Land of Israel than the Jewish people do. The Jebusites, Amorites, Canaanites, and Philistines do not exist in today’s world. According to the American archaeologist Eric Cline, writing in Jerusalem Besieged, “Historians and archaeologists have generally concluded that most if not all modern Palestinians are probably more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, and other countries than they are to the ancient Jebusites, Canaanites and Philistines.” He claims that all of the ancient inhabitants of the Land of Israel, except for the Jews, have been vanquished.

Nevertheless, Cline proclaimed, “Few would seriously challenge the belief that most modern Jews are descended from the ancient Hebrews.” Cline is backed up by a study that was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics. After doing a detailed study titled “Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry,” scientific research found that “Jews originated as a national and religious group in the Middle East during the second millennium BCE and have maintained continuous genetic, cultural, and religious traditions since that time, despite a series of Diasporas.” Thus, given this, it has been established that most Jews are descended from the ancient Israelites that have lived in the Land of Israel since antiquity."
One of the earliest archeological proofs for the existence of the Jewish nation in the land of Israel can be found in Egypt, where a victory monument of Pharaoh Merneptah claims that the Egyptians defeated the Israelites in about the year 1207 BCE. Inside the Israel Museum today, one can find an Aramaic inscription proving that the House of King David really existed. One can also witness within the Israel Museum a cuneiform inscription in which Assyrian King Sennecherib bragged about how he defeated the Kingdom of Judah. He proclaimed, “And Hezekiah, King of Judah, who did not submit to my yoke, I laid siege to 46 of his strong cities, walled forts and to countless small villages in their vicinity. I besieged them and conquered them.” None of these archaeological relics would have existed if there weren’t an ancient Jewish kingdom within the Land of Israel.

Indeed, in 66 BCE, Israel had a population of 3 to 4 million souls, of whom 75 percent were Jewish. Jews remained the majority of the population up until 135 CE, when Roman persecutions transformed the Jews into a minority within their own country. From that point onward, the majority of the population in Israel would comprise of Hellenistic Christians. By the seventh century, only 150,000 to 200,000 Jews continued to live in Eretz Yisrael. And by 1517, following the Black Plague and the Crusades, only 300,000 people lived in the Land of Israel, of whom 5,000 were Jews. For the first time in history, Muslims became the majority population within the country under Mamluk rule, although many more Muslims would migrate to the Holy Land throughout the late Ottoman period up until the conclusion of the British Mandate. Most modern Palestinians are descended from these recent Muslim migrants. During Ottoman times, Jews continued to live in their ancestral homeland, although significantly reduced in size.

Since the Roman expulsion Jewish prayer liturgy has been filled with references of the yearning the Jewish people to return back to their ancient homeland, and for the past 2000 years the Jewish people have prayed at least three times a day to return from their exile."

source:http://unitedwithisrael.org/eretz-israel-the-indigenous-home-of-the-jewish-people/

 

Now Kilp wants to quote David Ben Gurion,well of course he won't quote this following statement he made In 1948 when he read the Israeli Declaration of Independence and stated: “ERETZ-ISRAEL (the Land of Israel) was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books. After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom. Impelled by this historic and traditional attachment, Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. In recent decades they returned in their masses.” The declaration then annoucned “the establishment of a Jewish state in the land of Israel to be known as the State of Israel. … Israel will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles.”


Now Klip can be selective as to what he would like to quote from Ben Gurion as he's done on this thread but the fact is taking what ben Gurion said out of context and only selecting certain quotes is a lame tactic.

Hey now look what else Ben Gurion ACTUALLY SAID:

"Under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs (Palestinian Muslims) or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.

source: Written statement (1920), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai (1985), Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs: From Peace to War, Oxford University Press

"We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs."

source: letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Karsh, Efraim (2000), Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians'; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in Morris, Benny (1987), The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947–1949, Cambridge University Press, p. 25

" In our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us. But let us not ignore the truth among ourselves. I insist on the truth, not out of respect for scientific but political realities. The acknowledgement of this truth leads to inevitable and serious conclusions regarding our work in Palestine… let us not build on the hope the terrorist gangs will get tired. If some get tired, others will replace them.
A people which fights against the usurpation of its land will not tire so easily... it is easier for them to continue the war and not get tired than it is for us... The Palestinian Arabs are not alone. The Syrians are coming to help. From our point of view, they are strangers; in the point of law they are foreigners; but to the Arabs, they are not foreigners at all … The centre of the war is in Palestine, but its dimensions are much wider. When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs... and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome... But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior. The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside. They defend bases which are theirs, which is easier than conquering new bases... let us not think that the terror is a result of Hitler's or Mussolini's propaganda — this helps but the source of opposition is there among the Arabs."

source: address at the Mapai Political Committee (7 June 193 as quoted in Flapan, Simha, Zionism and the Palestinians.

"Terrorism benefits the Arabs, it may lay waste the Yishuv and shake Zionism. But to follow in the Arabs' footsteps and ape their deeds is to be blind to the gulf between us. Our aims and theirs run counter: methods calculated to further theirs, are ruinous to us. "

source: On three fronts" (3 August 193 as quoted in Rebirth and Destiny of Israel, New York: Philosophical Library, 1954, p. 91.

" If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel. "

source: attributed to Ben-Gurion (pre-War 1939) by Martin Gilbert in "Israel was everything" in The New York Times (21 June 1987)"

Uh no the web sites Klip has visited won't quote the above.

 

I am 100% Jewish.

My grandparents and great-grandparents come from Kiev, Minsk, eastern Slovakia, and western Ukraine.

I recently sent in a DNA sample to 23andMe to see what my genetic make up is.

I consider myself to be a classic Ashkenazi Jew, with white skin, blue/green eyes, and other classic European attributes.

I shall soon find out just how much of my genetics is Middle Eastern.

that said, the fact is that until around 350 AD, the Jews were actively accepting converts and prostelityzing throughout the Roman Empire. That means Italy, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Judea, Egypt, Libya, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Spain, France, etc. This means that while the Jews of course have Middle Eastern origins, we took on lots of non-Jewish genetics from the southern European, eastern Mediteranean regions, until conversion to Judaism became a crime in the 4th century.

so yes, the Jewish culture is of course Palestinian in descent. But our actual genetic ancestry, is much more complex than this. we are a hybrid of Middle Eastern/South European peoples...and Middle Eastern/North African peoples.

The Palestinian Muslims? they are a mixture of Arabs, Turks, Egyptians, Kurds, Persians, Berbers, Africans, Bosnians, Circassians, and all other Muslim migrants that moved into the region. yes, they have been Arabized. but their genetic history is not pure Arabs.

as to them being all descended from immigrants from Jordan since 1918? that's pure crap proven so by the British census of 1947 and immigration records.

 

Finally we agree on something, thanks for the input...

 

Mizrahi Jews (Middle Eastern Jews) by autosomal DNA are closer related to Palestinians by DNA, than they are to Ashkenazi (Central - East European Jews) or Sephardi (South European Jews)

 

It was 600,000 and they dribbled out in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973.....

 

Unlike 300,000 Arabs cleansed from Israel by Jewish Terrorists before independence and another 450,000 after.

 

Support what you said even though the flags arer now French and hawaiian. Just once use the Tonga flag.

 

Source?

Hebrew has always been the language of the most sacred text of Judaism - the Torah. It has never been dead. All the Jews had to learn Hebrew, for the religious rituals. By the way, Yemenite Jews spoke Hebrew at home.

Aramaic is very similar to Hebrew.

And the genetic studies to back your statement...?

Oh, but it does make a big difference. Should Palestinians gain the dispute, Jews are as good as dead. This is not a war of ideas, it's a war for survival.

Take the "Jews are really Khazars" and "Palestinians are the real Jews" theories. Given their inability to physically destroy us, our enemies try to do so by denying our very existence. They deny us the right to our own history, to our own place in world's cultural and spiritual heritage, while appropriating for themselves Jewish experience in the hope that they'll eventually get what we have. Have the Jews suffered in ghettos? So must Palestinians. Have the Jews been denied citizenship and civil rights? So must Palestinians (in Muslim countries). Have the Jews been through a Holocaust? So must Palestinians (Hamas makes every effort to cause a Holocaust in Gaza). Have the Jews got their own country? So will Palestinians, surely , if they stick to the "look, we are the new Jews" script.

From "Moses was Muslim" to "Palestinians are the ancient Philistines" through "Jesus was a Palestinian", the anti-Zionist narrative is striving to wipe the Jewish people out from history.

The arguing isn't done over a candy, It's done over life itself.

There are four basic principles for an accurate description of reality:
1. Always check data from at least three independent sources, as objective as humanly possible
2. Always put the data in context and proper perspective - geographic, historical, or whatever domain you're researching
3. Always ask questions, tough questions, uncomfortable questions, questions that put your entire worldview at risk
4. Always be prepared for the possibility that you can be wrong, listen carefully to your enemies, don't reject anything based on personal feelings

Why I bother telling you this? Because, from all those who oppose Zionism on this forum, you are the only one who seems to really care about Arabs, to see them more as human beings and less as a weapon against us. Maybe there's a chance you understand that Zionists are human beings, too. Maybe there's a chance we can have an open, honest debate.

The article you quoted has a major flaw: it doesn't tell us where the numbers came from. The first British census was in 1922, and the first reliable census was in 1931. Turkish censuses were very unreliable, due to a number of reasons, like tax evasion or evading military service.

The figures given by Mackay - regardless of their accuracy - were for a Palestine that does not match the original Mandate Palestine, or the territory of today's Israel. His "one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad" Palestine is really a mystery. Mckay's 7500 sq miles Palestine is too small.

 

I know.. I don't understand how they can lie so persistently.. I would be ashamed ..

 

Do you know who wrote Zionist Aspirations in Palestine? Are you aware of the Turkish census in 1870? Are you aware that the Arab Quarter was the largest in Jerusalem?

Yes.. there are genetic studies Arab Jews and Palestinians and Christian Palestinians share genetic markers.

Hebrew was not spoken much after the Babylonian exile.. The spoken languages were Aramaic and Greek.. in part due to the prosperity of the Decapolis cities.

 

Yes, I know who wrote Zionist Aspirations in Palestine. And no, I don't think he was qualified to decide for Jews. He thought that Israel will be a bolshevik satellite of USSR. It never was.

I don't think the size of the Arab quarters in Jerusalem matters. It's not what you have, but what you do with what you have that matters.

Turkish censuses were unreliable.

Genetics is a complicated matter. Is not intuitive. That's why I must see a scientific study before I decide if a claim of shared ancestry is valid or not.

I remember one study that compared Jewish and Palestinian genomes, and found some common traits, but I'm still waiting for a comparative study of Palestinian and other Arab genomes (Ostrer found some similarities between Palestinians and Syrians, but his study focuses on Jews, so this information is somewhat inconclusive).