Part 2 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I did answer your 1st question bozo! Next time be patient, why would anyone run from your questions like a coward?

Your questions are not tough they're the kind of questions I get from 3rd graders wanting to understand the bible...lol

 

If logic isn't some 'thing' external to God, and to which he is subject, then why can't he do things that you claim make no logical sense? 'Logical sense' can be whatever he chooses to make it.

Nobody knows that. You're just making an inductive leap from the observations you make in your day to day life.

No, because he could be 'eternal'. But then so could a universe without a God.

You're making assumptions with no basis. Let's say for a moment that all the events described in the Bible are true, and happened exactly as described. There's still no record going back prior to creation, so you don't know what was going on. No one does. But let's say that he is eternal. What was he doing during the infinity of time before the creation of the universe? What took him so long to make something happen?

For the millionth time, no we don't. It's an assumption that you're making. Nothing more.

If we accept your assumption about nothing coming from nothing, then yes.

Ok, let's call the ever-existing thing God. What do we know about this God (again, given your assumption about nothing coming from nothing)? Well, we know it always existed. Do we know that's it's anything like the God described in the Bible? No. Do we know that it cares about humans? No. Do we know that it intended for humans to be created? No. Do we know that it's even an entity capable of thought? No. All we know is that you've arbitrarily assigned the word "God" to something which may very well just be an unthinking universe governed by a random set of rules which happened to result in the world we know today.

Ok, how would you go about proving De Morgan's Laws using natural deduction? Should be pretty straightforward for you, since you're such an expert with logic.

 

And where is the proof of this?

 

That generation was dead 2000 years ago and that prophecy had nothing to do with it 2000 years later.

There was never an exact date because there was never any such return. That verse is an escape clause.

 

You can be funny sometimes, when you dont mean to be. Anyone who by 3rd grade still thinks noahs ark was real.....!

 

]And where is the proof of this?[/QUOTE]

Claims of half-god kings who are gonna come back are common around the world.

As for that one, if he'd gone back to Pilate and asked if he'd care to try again, now then the jesus-cult people would have something.

As it is, its pretty much like J Smith and his gold books.

Sometime During Eternity ...
BY LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI

Sometime during eternity
some guys show up
and one of them
who shows up real late
is a kind of carpenter
from some square-type place
like Galilee
and he starts wailing
and claiming he is hip
to who made heaven
and earth
and that the cat
who really laid it on us
is his Dad

And moreover
he adds
It’s all writ down
on some scroll-type parchments
which some henchmen
leave lying around the Dead Sea somewheres
a long time ago
and which you won’t even find
for a coupla thousand years or so
or at least for
nineteen hundred and fortyseven
of them
to be exact
and even then
nobody really believes them
or me
for that matter
You’re hot
they tell him
And they cool him

They stretch him on the Tree to cool

And everybody after that
is always making models
of this Tree
with Him hung up
and always crooning His name
and calling Him to come down
and sit in
on their combo
as if he is the king cat
who’s got to blow
or they can’t quite make it

Only he don’t come down
from His Tree
Him just hang there
on His Tree
looking real Petered out
and real cool
and also
according to a roundup
of late world news
from the usual unreliable sources
real dead

 

And this argument fails because it would prove quite a few religions, not just Christianity. It doesn't take a divine being to convince a large number of people to follow them. Remember Jonestown? Jesus could very well be a myth propagated by the originators of Christianity in order to make people believe, without ever actually existing. However, the idea that there was a man by the name of Jesus Christ in that time period somewhere is not that extraordinary of a claim. What is extraordinary is the idea that he was somehow supernatural.

No, that's still a point of contention among historians.

And again, none of this is actually confirmed.

I don't believe it's Satan, I'm just providing a possible alternative.

You don't get why that's so unfair, do you? Okay, lemme explain. There is literally no way that said tribes could ever have learned about Jesus Christ. No way, no how, just doesn't work. There was no technology to get to South America back then. No way for the disciples to spread the word until over 1000 years after the death of Christ. That's a lot of people (*)(*)(*)(*)ed to eternal hellfire because they didn't know, because they couldn't possibly have known. And the incredible unfairness of your god strikes again!

Except that it literally could not possibly have been their fault.

I think you don't know what that word means...

 

No, there definitely was no worldwide flood. There's absolutely no evidence for one. We have a complete record of tree rings going back at least 12,000 years and ice samples from Greenland and Antarctica going back some ~40,000+ years ago.

 

No, most scholars put the flood around 2500BC give or take a few centuries. So it is not rather obvious.

PS - By scholars, people who read and understand the bible. And debated.

 

You keep stating this as fact, yet you've never proved it or even offered any simulation for proof.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir:

Well our good friend Mitt is arguing that God can't do things that are logically inconsistent, and that that isn't a problem for his world view. So I say we grant him that point - God can't do something that's logically inconsistent. But that means there is something in this universe that God has no control over, and it means that logic didn't need to be 'created'. So why is it that the rest of the universe needs a creator when the rules of logic do not?
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First off, there isn't anything in the universe that God doesn't have any control over, get that ingrained into your atheist mind, afterall He is the Creator of everything in existence!

The Christian world view can present a logical reason for the abstract laws of logic, while the atheist worldview can't. The Christian worldview states that God is the author of truth, logic, physical laws, etc. Atheism maintains that physical laws are properties of matter, and that truth and logic are relative conventions (agreed upon principles). Is this logically defensible? I think not!

The absolute laws of logic exist because they reflect the nature of an absolute God. God did not create the laws of logic. They were not brought into existence, since they reflect God's thinking. Since God is eternal, the laws of logic are too.

Man, being made in God's image, is capable of discovering these laws of logic. Man did not invent them. Therefore, We Christians can account for the existence of the laws of logic by acknowledging they originate from God and that man is only discovering them.

God is transcendent; that is, He is beyond the material universe being its Creator. God has originated the laws of logic because they are a reflection of His nature. Therefore, the laws of logic are absolute. They are absolute because there is an absolute God.

So in conclusion it is a gross error to think the rules of logic is independent of God, God is logic and consequently the whole universe is dependent on Him, our Creator of everything in existence!

 

Quote Originally Posted by dairyair:

Which pretty much means anyone can believe anything and it is all ok.
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No, you can't believe just anything, however when it comes to the Holy Bible you can believe the whole book in its entirety, afterall the Holy Bible is the Word of God and God is perfectly Holy which means He tells the truth!

 

Quote Originally Posted by Margot:

We do know that Gandhi read the Sermon on the Mount and admired Jesus.. We also know that unlike many Christians Gandhi understood the Sermon on the Mount.
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Sounds like a biased opinion to me. Let me point out that facts can't be disputed but opinions well they can be disputed.

You claim Gandhi admired Jesus, understood Jesus message but yet as history tells us he rejected Christ. I wouldn't be quite sure if he really admired Jesus or if he really understood Jesus message.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Giftedone:

Mitt .. I read through 20 pages of this thread and have yet to see you address, make sense of, or clarify any of the "tough" questions.

You seem to ignore the "tough" questions and cherry pick some of the more ambiguous questions to which you give ambiguous answers.

I do not seem to have seriously questioned much about the Bible yourself ... believing what you have been spoon fed without question and taking it all on "faith".

If you have not wrestled with the tough questions yourself .. this hardly puts you in a position to "clear" anything up to anyone.

No offense .. but if one does not bother to address the tough questions in a honest and straightforward manner .. they really do not take their beliefs that seriously.
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Well again everyone's entitled to their own opinions...regardless even if they are biased opinions...lol

In my humble opinion, I believe I'm doing a good job in answering questions...oh well to each their own I guess...lol

 

Quote Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd:

Do roasted angels taste like chicken?
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I have no idea but the day you find yourself roasting next to them, take a bite and find out for yourself if they taste like chicken.

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Quote Originally Posted by The Wyrd of Gawd:

Do roasted angels taste like chicken?
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I have no idea but the day you find yourself roasting next to them, take a bite and find out for yourself if they taste like chicken.

 

Quote Originally Posted by taikoo:

Only the most ill informed would think man originated from a monkey fish or bird.
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So are you saying atheist evolutionists are ill informed? There are so many different beliefs coming from these atheists that it just goes to show they are just utterly lost in what they truly believe in. That is pretty sad if you ask me.

 

right.
The story only makes sense and is supported by modern scientific evidence when we assume it refers to the ascent of man through 22 different links in the evolution of Modern Homo sapiens, appearing about 100,000 years before the "Out-of-Africa" population explosion that lasted for 40,000 years when three racial stocks, Ham, Jephthah, and Shem "flooded" up even to the mountain tops.

The metaphor of the Ark that carried all the previous information about the animals into this new age where no other humanoid existed but us has the same scale as mentioned in the Bible:




The parallels and correspondences in Genesis with the science facts support this view.

1) There were 22 now extinct humans before we appeared, which matches the 22 names in the Genesis genealogy from Adam through Noah.

2) Before the "flood" Gen 6:4 reports the hybridization between Neanderthal and our ancestors.

3) The three racial Stocks from which our present seven difference races were derived matches the sons of Noah idea.

4) The mention of 40 "days and nights" correspond to the exodus out of Africa and the extinction of all other humanoids if we assume "a day is a thousand years to the lord."

5) That Genesis specifically mentions the concept of an extinction also supports this comparison.

 

Quote Originally Posted by dairyair:

Only for your belief. Not for everyone's belief. Take the muslims, thiey have the same God but use different commandments to worship him/it/her/they?
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The Christian God is not the same as the muslim's. We Christians are worshipping the Trinity God (the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit) while the muslims don't believe in the Trinity God, therefore we are not worshipping the same God...understand?

 

Quote Originally Posted by taikoo:

There was no flood at any time, so giving it an exact date is an exercise in silliness.
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God told us there was a Great Flood and so I'm believing His Word on that event. And yes I can agree with you that giving this event an exact date is an exercise in silliness for God never mentioned a date, we peons can only speculate what it was but why bother.

We already have scientific evidences that this event did happen but of course only the believers will accept these evidences, the others will just be in denial of it.

 

Yes, but, fantastically, there are actually creos who think that the theory
of evolution says people come from monkey fish, or birds.

isnt that just too stunningly stupid for words?

 

Its all very well to claim that there are 'evidences" but nobody has any.

But then as for "denial" you guys are champ.

I guess too you figure every geologist in the world is a member of that dreaded OODSTSTTAG

(Organization of devilish scientists to suppress the truth about god)

Talking to you guys is like finding a live neanderthal.

 

You're side stepping the question. God can alter the laws of logic: true or false? Only requires a single word to answer.

 

So there is two different gods? A christian god and a Muslim god?

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/trinity.html

Is he father, son and holy ghost?

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/trinity.html

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/trinity.html

As with everything else it was created to cover your butt. It seems that christians are the only ones that have a lock on this god and that he ignores everyone else including Muslims.

 

No, there are not two Gods, only one true God, the Christian God. The muslims are what we Christians refer to as worshipping a false god.

But of course the muslims will say their god is the one true god and we Christians are worshipping a false god.

 

Scholars...?
In theology or what?

How do they figure, since the extinction of all kinds of man except us modern men took place over the last 40,000 years.

Gen. 6:7 And the LORD, (the force behind the ever unfolding Reality of the Universe) said, I will destroy man (of these types and species) whom I have created (for the purpose to mentally model my image of Reality), destroy them, (of these types and species), from the face of the earth, (deeming them extinct); both (this species and kind of) man, and (his present abstract idea of) the beast (of the earth), and (his idea of) the creeping thing (of the earth), and (his idea of) the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them (in this process of evolution).

Thattis actually happned and is reported ONLY in the Bible, the church people ignore the power in science supporting scripture.