Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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    I see you are projecting your failings onto others again... for it is you who runs from Scripture .. you who tries to discredit scripture that conflicts with man made fundamentalist dogma .. The whole point of that snake charmer site "got.questions" is to discredit scripture that disagree's with dogma.

    So it is YOU .. and you alone who is able to interpret scripture correctly ? and those that agree with you. ? This is self deception.

    and you are not a follower of Jesus .. you are forever running from the teachings of Jesus .. into the loving arms of Martin Luther .and fundamentalist dogma .. .. following the wolves in sheeps clothing .. down the dark path you have been led.
     
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    That's funny .. come to you for interpretation :) .. so what - you can run to the "Got Questions" fundamentalist snake charmer site and repost the rantings of the deceivers ?

    "Give it to Me" is interpreted by both Jewish and Christian Scholars that the first born animals were to be sacrificed to God. and in fact this is what the Jews practiced.

    Your claim that they were considered sacred may also be true .. but does not change the fact that these animals were sacrificed .. regardless of what the fundamentalist snake charmer site might say.

    No matter though .. as we can go to passages where things are crystal clear ..An episode that even the deceivers over at "GodQuestions" that you worship can not worm their way out of .. which is why you are so desperate to avoid this passage in typical fashion ... running from scripture that conflicts with fundamentalist dogma.

    Jephthah ... Sacrifices his daughter to YHWH .. YES or NO ?

    For as we read in Scripture Judges 11 - 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.
     
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    The Bible really says a lot trev, it may look like one book, but it is actually sixty-six books rolled into one. Thirty-nine books make up what we call the Old Testament, and twenty-seven make up the New Testament. God used many authors....as many as forty...over a time-period of many centuries to write the sixty-six books of the Bible. This makes each book unique. But even though each book has its own style and character, each one contributes to God's life-changing message.

    What is that message? Through the Bible, God makes it clear that He loves us and has a plan to save us from the destructive power of sin. God's plan is for you to live with Him in heaven. But if you don't want to live with Him in heaven because of your disbelief/hatred of Him then He will send you to hell for punishments of your sins. It's either heaven or hell, there is no 3rd other choice for us to make.

    We Read In Scripture:

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,


    16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

    18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.” John 3:16-21 NLT

    The Narrow Gate

    13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

    The Bible also says that all Scripture is inspired by God and that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding or from human initiative and that those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit and they spoke from God.

    We Read in Scripture:

    16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17 God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NLT

    20 Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 NLT

    These verses I will present below have been proved/verified by science to be true, which in itself pretty much validates the Bible as being the inspired Word of God.

    We Read in Scripture:

    22 God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them. Isaiah 40:22 NLT

    (Science has confirmed the shape of our planet as round. How could Isaiah who lived approx. 2700 years ago know this if not for God telling him this fact about the shape of our planet as being round.)

    5 Food is grown on the earth above, but down below, the earth is melted as by fire. Job 28:5 NLT

    (Our planet's core is hot and this verse 5 in Job 28 mentions it. Again how could the author of the Book of Job have known this if not for God telling them about this fact approx. 4000 years ago or so.)

    7 God stretches the northern sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing. Job 26:7 NLT

    (Earth indeed floats in space. God told the author of the Book of Job this fact approx. 4000 years ago or so.)

    7 Rivers run into the sea, but the sea is never full. Then the water returns again to the rivers and flows out again to the sea. Ecclesiastes 1:7 NLT

    (Water changes state, the water cycle, also known as the hydrologic cycle, is a well-known phenomenon.)

    6 The Lord’s home reaches up to the heavens, while its foundation is on the earth. He draws up water from the oceans and pours it down as rain on the land. The Lord is his name! Amos 9:6 NLT

    (This verse in Amos also mentions water changes state.)

    27 He draws up the water vapor and then distills it into rain. 28 The rain pours down from the clouds, and everyone benefits. Job 36:27-28 NLT

    (These verses in Job also mentions water changes state.)

    7 He causes the clouds to rise over the whole earth. He sends the lightning with the rain and releases the wind from his storehouses. Psalm 135:7 NLT

    (Another example here in Psalm 135:7 of water changes state.)

    14 “Build a large boat[a] from cypress wood and waterproof it with tar, inside and out. Then construct decks and stalls throughout its interior. 15 Make the boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high.[c] 16 Leave an 18-inch opening[d] below the roof all the way around the boat. Put the door on the side, and build three decks inside the boat—lower, middle, and upper. Genesis 6:14-16 NLT

    (According to geological evidence, the Great Flood of Noah might have actually happened. The ark would have worked, it turns out, the math is correct. According to calculations made by physics students at the University of Leicester in 2014, the ark would have actually floated and safely carried pairs of each animal species through the flood.)

    22 And as the stars of the sky cannot be counted and the sand on the seashore cannot be measured, so I will multiply the descendants of my servant David and the Levites who minister before me.” Jeremiah 33:22 NLT

    (There are countless stars in the sky. Sure, we know that the universe has a lot of stars. And by a lot, we're talking about up to a trillion stars per galaxy. And it's estimated that there about 100 billion galaxies in the universe!)

    41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory. 1 Corinthians 15:41 NLT

    (Not all stars are created equal. The stars' brightness or magnitude varies.)

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear. Matthew 24:35 NLT

    (Celestial bodies don't last forever We now know that stars and other astronomical bodies die. Science has confirmed this, but the Bible also mentions it as we note here in Matt. 24:35.)

    3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen. Hebrews 11:3 NLT

    (The universe is made of invisible particles. It sounds like the Bible is talking about atoms. Protons, neutrons, and electrons on their own are invisible to the naked eye. Atoms make up pretty much everything, including us.)

    48 As Goliath moved closer to attack, David quickly ran out to meet him. 49 Reaching into his shepherd’s bag and taking out a stone, he hurled it with his sling and hit the Philistine in the forehead. The stone sank in, and Goliath stumbled and fell face down on the ground.

    50 So David triumphed over the Philistine with only a sling and a stone, for he had no sword. 51 Then David ran over and pulled Goliath’s sword from its sheath. David used it to kill him and cut off his head. 1 Samuel 17:48-51 NLT

    (A small boy defeating a giant might sound unlikely, but the story of David and Goliath in 1 Samuel 17 says otherwise. David could have actually defeated Goliath. A slingshot might not be the most powerful weapon, but the stones from Elah Valley were made of barium sulphate, which is extremely dense and these would have easily hurt Goliath. But there's more. Being a giant, Goliath likely suffered from acromegaly (overproduction of growth hormone). This can cause problems with vision, and peripheral vision can be limited, which would have been handy for David.)

    6 You clothed the earth with floods of water, water that covered even the mountains. Psalm 104:6 NLT

    (There are mountains underwater. These landforms are actually called seamounts, and are mentioned in the Bible here in Psalm 104:6.)

    11 for the life of the body is in its blood. I have given you the blood on the altar to purify you, making you right with the Lord.[a] It is the blood, given in exchange for a life, that makes purification possible. Leviticus 17:11 NLT

    (Creatures can't live without blood. Most of us are familiar with the Adam and Eve story of the Bible. Humans have, in fact, a female biological ancestor called Mitochondrial Eve, which precedes our species (Homo sapiens). There is, however, one thing that connects all us living creatures: blood.)

    5 On the seventh day the priest will make another examination. If he finds the affected area has not changed and the problem has not spread on the skin, the priest will quarantine the person for seven more days. Leviticus 13:5 NLT

    (Isolation contains diseases. While proper quarantines developed later in history, the Bible advised to isolate the affected person for 7 days and if the affected area has not changed to isolate/quarantine them for another 7 days.)

    28 If you pick up its carcass, you must wash your clothes, and you will remain defiled until evening. These animals are unclean for you. Leviticus 11:28 NLT

    (Sanitizing is really important. The pandemic has made us all pros in sanitizing our hands and clothes in order to avoid spreading germs, but the Bible mentioned its importance a long time ago as we note here in Leviticus 11:28. )

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1 NLT

    (Our brilliant scientist like physicist Albert Einstein theorized/concluded through his theory of relativity that the universe had a beginning and was not eternal as he had previously believed. His theory proved that the universe is not a cause, but instead one big effect—something brought it into existence. And of course Christians like myself believe it was Our Creator Almighty God who brought the universe and everything else that exists into existence.)

    Ok trev that's about it for now. I will get to your other posts later.

    Oh and besides all these verses I presented above let me not forget all the many archaeological artifacts that authenticates the credibility of the Bible. A simple Google search will bring up all these archaeological artifact findings. One I find particularly fascinating is the Hittite Monuments From Boghazkoy...Mementos of an Imperial People.

    So trev the Bible really says a lot and a lot more that I haven't even begun scratching the surface on yet. But that's for discussion at a later time. So thanks for your post and it was a pleasure for me to respond to it.
     
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    In those times, the Jews often kept animals stabled in a ground-floor enclosure, while the family lived on the second floor.
     
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    Hi my Brother Todd! Thanks for your contribution today Brother! :clapping:
     
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    Thats nice .. "All in the family so to speak" .. what does this have to do with Jephthah sacrificing his daughter to YHWH ?

    What about your contribution Mitt .. Thought you might have some insight on why YHWH promted Jephthah to engage in the sacrifice of his first born ..

    Or is this one a bit to tough for that "GotQuestions" site you adore ?
     
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    Such a humorous request given the source. Do you know what "Faith" is ?
     
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    Mitt - where are you .. ? .. hope you not out doing the dark deeds of the Israelites .. Tough questions waiting for Mr. "Got Questions"

    Why did YHWH promt Jephthah to engage in the sacrifice of his first born .. Why does YHWH desire the sacrifice of children ?

    We are vexed and need you help :cynic::cynic: :oldman::oldman:
     
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    In those times, the Jews often kept animals stabled in a ground-floor enclosure, while the family lived on the second floor.
     
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    In Jeptha's case, did God prompt him to do it like he did to Abraham, was it Jeptha's idea and God merely didn't tell him not to?
     
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    Yes, it is claiming something to be true when you know it is not.
     
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    So .. a Sola Fide adherent crying "Prove it" -- is a bit silly don't you think :)
     
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    I think all religious belief is silly.
     
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    Not All ..
     
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    Sooo he did not expect his daughter to run out first..

    this would be a case of be careful what you pray for.. besides, she went to Heaven.
     
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    To you. Not to me.
     
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    To you as well ..
     
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    Bizarre.
     
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    Isn't it .. gentleman's bet !? .. and do learn chess notation .. very useful ?? - game losing move ? - bad move ?! - dubious move !? interesting move !- Excellent move !! - Game winning move.
     
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    I am going to assume you are going to play - in which case .. I will "Prove" to you - that what ever God you make up exists .. and now it is over to you .. Define what a God would be to you .. that if this thing showed up .. you would say .. Yup .. thats it.

    I will then prove to you that this God exists !?
     
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    Thats nice .. but why why did YHWH have Jephthah sacrifice the child .. instead of one of those lovely animals ?
     
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    Consider the Jephthah story to what the Jesus character said in the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5:33-37 (CEB) =
    33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those who lived long ago: Don’t make a false solemn pledge, but you should follow through on what you have pledged to the Lord.[a] 34 But I say to you that you must not pledge at all. You must not pledge by heaven, because it’s God’s throne. 35 You must not pledge by the earth, because it’s God’s footstool. You must not pledge by Jerusalem, because it’s the city of the great king. 36 And you must not pledge by your head, because you can’t turn one hair white or black. 37 Let your yes mean yes, and your no mean no. Anything more than this comes from the evil one.“

    So, if a person claims to believe in Jesus, it is silly for the person to swear an oath on the Bible.
     
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    hmmm .. while its silly for a follower of Jesus to swear oaths to God ... our friend Jephthah was not a follower .. neither was our friend YHWH ..
    Interesting .. but wrong chapter -- child sacrifice is the menu on the table ..

    A note on that other chapter of interest - Jews do not swear an oath to God in the Wedding Ceremony .. in keeping with above code.. while all Christian ceremonies do Catholic, Orthdox, Protestant .. Having been married in two of the three ceremonies -- I know those first hand ..and of course have attended many of all three .. each time looking for "The Promise" and it is always there .. Orthodox is by far the coolest cerimony .. lots of ancient rituals ..
     
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    I don't know why you replied to my post with this.
     
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    More bizarre. Later.
     

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