Patient removed from heart transplant list for refusing Covid-19 vaccine

Agreed. But he doesn't have Covid. The vaccine is less safe than not having Covid.

 

This pharma product, incorrectly labeled as a "vaccine" is not preventing infection. Healthy people had an extremely low risk long before the product was available.

Perhaps there are other factors not being discussed here, but if refusing this pharma product is the only determinate, I can't see it as ethical. Since Republicans are healthier and happier, why not move Democrats down on the list? That would be giving the organ the best chance, right?

 

Nope. Him not receiving the heart is entirely on him. Nobody but himself chose not to follow the Hospitals directions.

 

“Study finds Republicans report better health than Democrats”

Republicans also report the election was stolen, that the vaccine is fake, that COVID isn’t a big deal and that horse and sparrow economics work — I am asking for actual research not a poll on Republicans feelings.

 

self-reported study.

not actual research.

 

I don’t see what political affiliation has to do with it or why you keep bringing it up.

Let me know when you can remove the emotional semantics from the discussion and we can continue.

 

um..... the polio vaccine is also more dangerous than not having polio. same with flu vaccine, diptheria, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella.

are you saying we are better off NOT getting vaccines??????????????

 

I was hoping you would say that its irrelevant and that using such criteria is extremely unethical. BTW, there are many studies on the subject if you care to research.

On the topic of using a defective pharma product as criteria for organ transplants, I don't see how this is ethical considering the 2 years of results we have. (Lack of results)

 

Not at all. I'm saying that if your heart is on it's last beat and you don't have polio, it may not be the best time to get the vaccine until you are healthy again. This guy is not against the vaccine. He's against getting sick with a bad ticker. Unless you think that the hospital is going to give him corona virus, I don't see what the problem it. Are all those vaccinated doctors/nurses wearing masks around him wearing a mask going to give him covid? If masks and the vaccine work, then why don't they work?

 

Self reporting, yes.
When you look at life expectancy or fetal mortality red states rank at the very bottom.
I care very little that one group is delusional

Medical professionals disagree with you

 

Nonsense. Heart transplant surgery itself has waaaaaay more risks than the vaccine, or any of the basket of vaccines that organ recipients are required to take, and always have been. And if he thinks he knows more about the risks for his heart than heart transplant surgeons do, so be it. He's been "informed" and denied "consent". Fine, someone will have the option for informed consent.

 

So we are going to start prioritizing care based on who conforms to you version of health?

Over weight.
Smoke.
Don't exercise.
Don't do annual check ups.

Go to the back of the line?

This is EXACTLY why I am opposed to centralized medicine, because this is the **** you authoritarian try to pull.

 

Yet

That is the operative word

 

Already happening it is called triage and it comes into play EVERY time there are limited resources. What you do not think this has been happening across your country when you have had surges that have overwhelmed the hospitals? I can absolutely guarantee that ICU a beds would have been allocated to those most likely to survive

 

And you think he would survive the transplant? When the heart fails it sets up feedback loops that cause problems in all the other organs - especially the kidneys

 

Medical professionals are the third leading cause of death. Pharma products in their prescribed dose have a death rate as well. Use of pharma products is at record levels and life expectancy is dropping.

Results show plenty of reasons to doubt medical professionals and pharma products. Using ones refusal to consume an ineffective pharma product to deny a donated organ is too much power in the hands of those that admit they don't know what they are doing. They only practice!

 

So you're saying vaccines dont work??

 

And there is still no proof of the political affiliation of the patient in the OP

 

That's an absolute bullshit lie.

Nobody goes into the hospital and is prioritized based on their health habits. They are triaged based on urgency of care. ICU needs are allocated to those with the most severe symptoms, NOT who has an occasional fast food meal.

Your response is a flat out lie and excuse to avoid what you know is centralized authoritarianism that looks very bad for universal care advocates.

 

Respond to this Ronstar. Don't ignore it because you now realize your response was poorly thought out.

 

Good tell you what - next time you are I’ll don’t bother going to a Heath professional - just follow the advice of Alex Jones or one of the many self proclaimed experts touting products like colloidal silver

After all it has the added benefit of allowing you to look like papa Smurf

Argyria

meanwile let’s us look at your claim of better Heath among Republicans



Caption: Change in life expectancy in years from 1980 to 2014. Smaller increases are shown in red, larger increases are in blue.

 

This is about organ transplants. The extreme scarcity of the remedy makes it necessary to prioritize according to the likelihood of a success outcome which is measured according to multiple factors. To do otherwise would waste a precious life-saving resource, and not only would the recipient die but potentially someone else who would have had a successful outcome if they had been given the organ instead.

 

I remember the story of the blue guy that died from injecting CS. I know I am just a random guy on the internet, but my strategy on keeping healthy is nothing you will argue with. I eat an organic, Vegan diet. In addition to going to the gym 3-4 times a week, I enjoy outdoor activities. (Hiking, snowboarding, mountain biking, etc.)

I support my immune system naturally and don't get sick. Sorry that I am not buying this pharma product you support until you are blue in the face. (See what I did there!) I do race motorcycles and realize I may need medical professionals one day. I might even have some useful parts available to save lives.

I live in Los Angeles and there is no way you can convince me that the obese people clogging the city are going to live longer. There are many studies, but what I was hoping you would say is that it is extremely unethical to use such criteria when deciding who gets my liver one day. Same as using this pathetic excuse for a vaccine as a determinate.

 

How completely detached from reality can a person get.

Right now, there are millions upon millions upon millions of people across the country living pretty much normal lives thanks to modern-day medicine, and the doctors who prescribe them, and the researchers who discovered them. Right now, there are countless doctors and surgeons in countless hospitals battling to save the lives of traffic accident victims, premature babies, people with cancer...

But to you, it's all baloney.

 

What would be unethical is having a RARE resource and - faced with two people - giving it to the person least likely to survive.