Paul Hellyer Earthshaking Confession 'Four Alien Races are Here on Earth'

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  1. Moi621

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    People like that join the Republican party. Seldom will Democrats operate like that. They tend to operate on biased beliefs and feelings.
     
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    so based on that I take it you must a democrat as you accepted alien visitation on the word alone of a long forgotten retired politician...biased feelings and feelings as you say...
     
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    Especially Democrats value the emotional over the rational. Their entire belief system is based on feelings and i wish not true, but not for the public at large.
     
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    Read the OP again. I am asking for those who allege they saw any. I said I have not seen UFOS nor aliens from space.
     
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    read it again, fair enough you don't outright back him but you certainly don't dispute it or question it either...that's isn't objective at all, he admits he offers no evidence so the guys a loon with an opinion that no rational person should pay attention to...
     
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    clearly this advice is needed by people claiming to see spaceships and aliens.

    I did not assert with one hundred percent certainty that any of them were delusional, or hallucinating, or lying. On the contrary, I offer these as much more simple and more likely explanations.

    contrast that to the others claiming with absolute certainty that they saw spaceships or aliens.
     
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    So are people who hallucinated, had false memories, or are delusional.
     
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    Plenty of people (small ones, especially) think Santa exists and have 'reported' interactions. Plenty of people think the Hindu God pantheon exists and have reported interactions. Plenty of people think Bigfoot exists and have reported interactions. By your measure, these entities must all be real.
     
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    Excuse you...you are the one making assertions will 100% confidence, yet without a shred of evidence.
     
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    I (along with several others) had what some would refer to as a "UFO experience" about 20 years ago. I can't give details publicly, because they're very specific and may identify me. Suffice to say, it was broad daylight, and involved multiple sane, sober, and credible witnesses. Was reported to authorities - not because we thought it was a UFO (we didn't) but for other reasons - and was taken very seriously.
     
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    It's in the historical records such as Washington Post headlines. See 1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident - Wikipedia (actually several incidents in July). Officials tried to whitewash it and explain it away, mainly as temperature inversions, but even the weather officials exposed the technical fallacies of their explanation.

    Regarding a team's intended 10-year stay on an alien planet (Serpco or whatever) that lasted 13 years as cited by Hellyer, it's an old elaborate story that seems to have a fatal flaw: The team's battery provisions were exhausted and their improvised timekeeping method did not accurately compensate for the time rate difference of the alien locale; the hosts did not alert them or offer corrective means or advise them to open their MacGyver manual and rig up some Baghdad batteries, yet they had the technological capacity to zip them accompanied by 45 tons of supplies across star systems.
     
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    My point is that the barrage of denial and evasion is excessive. Official positions all too often attempt to downplay persistent peculiarities that don't match the accepted and favored norm, as if there is some precious sanctity or advantage in upholding the status quo until contrary evidence crushingly overwhelms official contrariness.

    E.g., bigfoot DNA from bits of flesh and blood has been collected from at least one nail board in the USA and analyzed as belonging to an unknown species of primate. Yet no bigfoot individual or corpse has been captured and presented, so the hard line prevails vigorously. But the awful smells, reported sightings, and sometimes hostile physical disturbances have occurred in almost every state, so there must be something odd going on. Also, I don't think the native American Indians have fabricated their observations of bigfoot.

    Also, evidence of an ordinary person's existence does not have to breach the opposition and censorship by a slew of special interests who want privileged knowledge to remain concealed from the general public. E.g., such info revealed in a deathbed confession by a Lockheed bigwig won't be a popularized theme in media news.
     
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    according to a good friend of mine who's a Neurologist, your brain will make things up, creating a reality that did not happen...your brain open to suggestion from yourself or someone else, building memories of events that never occurred and re-enforcing those memories with more fictional details or even change them over time...these people aren't lying their brains have created a new reality and the new reality can become more entrenched over time...
     
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    All that is in the headlines/articles is that someone saw something. That is just a reiteration of the same, extraordinary claim. Just because a reporter repeated it doesn't give anyone any more reason to believe it than when you just repeated it.
     
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    ...a perfectly reasonable, simple explanation that is a repeated, documented event, and for which there is a bunch of empirical evidence and clinical diagnosis.

    Compared to personal anecdotes, there is no comparison, in terms of evidence.
     
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    I find it exceedingly unlikely that an alien species with the technology to travel amongst the stars and fly around at will despite gravity....WOULD FLY AROUND AT NIGHT WITH THIER FREAKIN' LIGHTS ON!
    Especially on a planet full of violent monkeys with big guns.
     
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    You did read the Wikipedia entry didn't you, or are you displaying the true colors of a rationalizing minimalist?? "...someone saw something." A reporter?? Pilots, radar confirmation, ground observers....military officials trying to downplay it with a flawed weather inversion explanation... you got to be kidding! Maybe you should also check on the flap in California involving massive sustained artillery shelling efforts that failed to nail the brazen overhead UFO(s).
     
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    I like that, especially for the last line, but an effort to postulate plausible justifications for the actions of the bogies and/or their intentions calls for application of somewhat more sophisticated efforts. It is also not too far-fetched to speculate that them is us prepping the sheep for the next level false flag attack, a global/interplanetary one.
     
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    If such creatures wanted to kill us and take what they wanted, we would no longer be here. The possibilities for our removal are far to expansive to list even for the not so bright alien. No false flag would even need consideration.
     
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    Correct, a just anecdotes and personal accounts. Putting them in a newspaper does not lend such extraordinary claims more credibity, nor do the professions of the people making the claims. You would not apply this absurd standard to other outrageous aims for which you didn't have such an obvious affinity. For instance, I doubt you would insist that houseplants talk, just because a botanist, a professor, a gardener, and a florist all made the claim

    Your bias and your hopes for what is true are clouding your judgment.
     
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    Why? Does that extraordinary claim come with evidence?

    No?

    Then the conclusion I make will be the same.
     
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    centuries of occupation of all regions on the planet where these supposed primates live and not a single example living or dead...DNA tests have revealed nothing...in this age of smart phones and cameras not a single clear photo...millions of hunters shooting anything that moves and not a single bigfoot/yeti or anything else...how does a primate exist, multiply, thrive and never be seen? not a trace of them...scientists can find a track nearly extinct species that are down to a few dozen members but not bigfoot which would require sizeable family groups to survive....scientists have found the pinkie and tooth of Denisovan that went extinct 40yrs or more ago but amazingly not a single example of giant primates which are supposedly alive and well...people make shitte up and that's the only truth about bigfoot or yeti...
     
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    agreed...to find and reach us they would need extraordinary technology, and yet they don't have stealth technology to hide from us?...if they were hostile with their superior technology they would've effortlessly removed us long ago...if they're friendly they would've contacted us already or would've remained undetectable observing us in secret...lights in the skies, crop circles, anal probes, lot's of lies, vivid imaginations and straight out hoaxes...
     
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