Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The fact that one will never hear or learn that we are actually In an
    Ice Age,As Defiined by the % of Ice on Earth.And with snow falls each
    year in near record territory.As like when Donald Trump attended Davos
    in the last week of January,2018.Insane amount of Snow.Same with Erie,Pa,
    and Buffalo the last few years.
    You are being conned about Global Warming,Or Climate Change.
    The Climate Nazis are willing to drum up new excuses at the drop of
    a snowflake.What should that portend.?
     
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    From the paper you linked. Part of the problem is that people who aren't really climate experts frame themselves as experts.

     
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    so your claim scientist are influenced by those that fund them
    so then are you willing to admit that all funding can influence no matter where it comes from?
     
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    That's sure as hell news to me, and I suspect it's news to >99% of the physicists on the planet as well.
    Do tell.
     
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    In 1993 I had a very bad blood born bacterial infection due to a very bad industrial accident (run over by a 30,000 lb Armored Truck at 50 MPH). Those that had gone past 72 hours without treatment (me) had an 80% mortality rate. The Worker's Comp Insurance company fefused to pay for the treatment the Hospital proposed, they told the Chief of Staff I would die anyway. The Hospital flipped them the bird and did the treatment anyway, 25 years later here I am.
     
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    In their religion, more arable land...such as in Norway, Greenland is bad, because... well they never really say. But we know, they are degrowthers.
     
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    It's not way outside predictions though. It's outside the 75% confidence envelop, but still within the 95% confidence envelop albeit barely. By the way, we should probably be talking about a current version of this graph. Anyway, this clearly demonstrates that while model simulations aren't perfect they are useful and skillful in predicting the global mean temperature. In fact, despite their problem with the early 2000's they are the most skillful predictions anyone has produced and as of 2017 they are tracking almost perfectly with the best guess now.

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    This graph is also important to consider. Notice that it shows the oceans warming without a pause. Note that the oceans account for over 90% of the accumulated heat retained due to anthroprogenic global warming.

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    Ok great. Which natural cycle explains the warming post WWII?

    Al Gore is not a climate scientist. You shouldn't listen to him.

    Two reasons. First, every natural cycle predicts the Earth should be cooling right now. Second, greenhouse gases are unequivocally known to warm Earth's biosphere and we are pumping huge quantities of the stuff into the atmosphere. Scientists first tried the null hypothesis which is the natural only theory and couldn't get things to add up. They then considered the natural+anthroprogenic theory and it matched observations pretty well. It's not perfect mind you, but it's close. And as our understanding of climate science increases we falsify some hypothesis while at the same time craft and test new or tweaked hypothesis to better hone in on the details. This is how theories evolve.
     
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    Yeah...no. Not even close.

    Quantum mechanics is considered to be one of the most precisely tested theories in existence.

    Yep. I never claimed otherwise. And I certainly didn't claim it was a vast mystery.
     
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    I would say yes. That's certainly a possibility. One well known counter example is that of Berkeley Earth. It was a skeptical group formed specifically to refute the scientific consensus on the amount the Earth has warmed and was largely funded by skeptical groups. After crunching the numbers they released their conclusion in 2012 that not only did NASA, NOAA, etc. not fraudulently manipulate any data like what they and other deniers had thought, but they likely underestimated the amount the Earth has warmed. They still publish a global mean surface temperature today and it's still running higher than what NASA and NOAA say.
     
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    How do you know there will be more arable land and how do you know where it will be?
     
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    so any funding that comes from global warming alarmist and governments can influence their research? and we need to apply the same skepticism
     
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    From the hard record fossils leave behind, not these silly computer models the climate pagans have built with their own hands and now worship.
     
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    This is the Oregon Institute scam again

    The key word is crisis

    In other words it is a strawman
     
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    Those attached to reality point out you can't grow crops on granite and highly acidic arctic muck. And that also, thanks to the miracle of geography (where lines of longitude converge near the poles), there's far less land near the poles than in the tropics.

    But then, that's just the view of realists who don't think it's good to starve hundreds of millions of people in the tropics, after the warming climate cuts food production there. The realists also point out that Canada and Russia aren't going to welcome the immigration of millions of starving tropical people.
     
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    No, you are thinking about geology. Geoscience is like geography, but with data. The Earth is a geoid, which is where 'geoscience' comes from.
     
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    I didn't realize our fossil record had a history of high yield genetically modified crop species in combination with innovative agricultural techniques to further enhance their yields. My bad.
     
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    huh?
     
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    You think only GM crops will grow on arable land? Come on, Son, THINK!

    Were we to return to Warm Earth conditions, and we won't, the current continental configuration is not conducive to it, crop yields would explode to the point that we probably would not even need GM or anywhere near the amount of fertilizer that we use today to feed the world.

    Why are you in love with these big agricultural chemical companies? Rising CO^2 levels will likely render them unnecessary.
     
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    There is virtually no desertification in Warm Earth conditions. The Sahara, the world's largest non-polar desert was life rich savannah. It's always fun when the ignorant get snooty though.
    The tropics don't warm much more than the present in Warm Earth Conditions, Silly. The tropical bands simply widen. Warm Earth conditions are much more uniform than our current ice age conditions with warm tropics and frozen poles. The increase in AVERAGE temperature is because the poles enjoy Seattle like weather, not because the tropics get warmer.

    Study the fossil record, it's a quite clear and certain Scientific record. These computer models are little more than silly video games that return your own religious dogma to you to worship as "fact".
    They are but a myth of your fevered imagination, much like a cult awaiting the return of Haley's Comet.
     
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    97% is a fake made up number that is just repeated over and over as if a truism.
     
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    Life thrives in warmth and dies in the cold.
     
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    The amount of biodiversity increases in warmer water, but the amount of biodensity increases in colder water.
     
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    Indeed. If things are changing now... than a geologist will find out after 100's of years. So it's a joke to ask them lot what they think will happen. And so they asked the wrong people in the survey, obviously.
     
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    Thus, it was fun when you got snooty. Classic D-K.

    And the science backing that up is ... where?

    Oh, you're just making it up wild stories out of cult fanaticism. Why didn't you say so in the first place? It would have saved us all time.

    Meanwhile, back in reality, here's some of the real science.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tropics-feel-the-heat-of-climate-change/

    And here's the really scary part.

    https://qz.com/1049730/heatwaves-co...stan-uninhabitable-by-the-end-of-the-century/

    When the wet bulb temp goes over 95, every person that can't get into air-conditioning dies, even if they're soaking wet and resting in the shade next to a fan. Same with the livestock. That's where parts of the world are heading. In the worst case scenario, even the midwestern USA eventually sees such killing conditions.

    So, billions of people living in areas that become uninhabitable due to heat. Only a few times a year, but that's enough to kill everyone there. No biggee. I'm sure they can move into your air-conditioned house, right?

    Also, check out the crop yield forecast in the midwestern USA. It really destroys your "warming is beneficial!" fairy tale.

    https://www.motherjones.com/food/2015/01/climate-change-farmers-midwest/

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