Pelosi Says Media Should Do Better Job Selling Dem Agenda

BUT..... BUT..... ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!

ROFL!

... it's virtually every thread. TDS is real people

 

Then you obviously don't understand what I wrote, and I'm not going to try to walk you through it because I don't think you're interested in considering anything which doesn't confirm what you already think.

 

Well said !!!!

 

A propos nothing much, I was amused to see the acronym SOTH which I've never encountered before. What a shame the title isn't Speaker In The House

 

It's predictable and hilarious to watch Leftists deny what they actually heard and decide new "intent" as they always do.

Truth has no place on the Left, just a shifting narrative depending on what they want at the time.

 

No, the orange man is a complete SS, and that why he is on so much. The sensation sells, and Trump is the epitome of BS sensationalism.

You jump to “orange man bad” when you cant debate whats being said.

The problem with the media today is that they cover the sensational, not the truth. The irony is that they are covering the outrageous lies from the right (the sensationalism), and giving it a voice. The right has gone so far off the rails, that they ARE the 24 hr news cycle now. From their outrageously obvious lies, to the ridiculous behavior at school boards or the cult meetings (oops, i mean trump rallies), to their outright denial of science, and the pandemic. Nancy was pointing that out by saying that the media needs to let people know whats in there bill, but because of the level, and amount of BS being spewed out by the right, they aren’t doing their jobs.

I wish Hunter Thompson was alive to document these times.

 

You would have a little more credibility if you engaged even slightly with the arguments being offered.

 

Fake news.

 

Oh puhlease! Trumpists and righists completely embraced "alternate facts" in order to justify their messiahs constant lies.

 

Wow, a whopping 7 posts before Trump was mentioned. A record?

 

nothingburger, nothingburger, nothingburger, nothingburger
Yuuuuuuuggee nothingburger….

Ooooo, ok I get it now that you posted it enough.

 

Can you answer the question?

 

You know what else is real?

The ignore option.

 

You're welcome noob!

 

I wasn’t thanking you but ok.

 

Glad I can help.

 

Honestly that’s a good question. I have no idea.

 

Trump said things the media should do too, guess he was trying to control the media too

 

Au contraire. The reason that others make the same argument as I do, is because it is plain as day that this is her meaning. But you obsess over her wording, as if, in the past, you had not been among the many Republicans who justified Trump quotes that had been spontaneously generated by his own brain-- not merely answering a question with the same terminology with which it was asked-- by saying that Trump was just "joking."

But I am not trying to use a "whataboutism," as my argument; nevertheless I think I am entitled to cite your seeming hypocrisy. Now here is the logical argument: had the reporter begun her question, "Polls show that only 10% of Americans support what is in the infrastructure bill, then you would have a valid argument. But listen to your clip, again-- she says that only 10% of Americans know a lot of specifics about the reconciliation package, and the majority don't know anything at all about it. She immediately follows with the clearly connected question, do Democratic officials need to do a better job of, "selling," it, to their constituents. Any normal, conscious person, should recognize that the reporter is talking about, at least as the initial step of, "selling it," making those 90% who don't know what is in the bill, aware of its contents (despite her phraseology). And it is even more patently obvious that this spreading of awareness of the contents, is what Pelosi is referring to, in her response, as she continues directly into saying that every time that she is in front of these very same reporters, she has gone over the list of what's in it. If you cannot follow that the Speaker is implying that the DISSEMINATION of this INFORMATION that she has given to the press, is likewise their responsibility, then it must be that you are struck with Pelosi Madness, debilitating your powers of reason. And if the exact same circumstance had arisen with a politician who you support, I have no doubt, none whatsoever, that you would understand his comments just as I and the others interpret Ms. Pelosi's. In fact, for any who was trying to make the same blindly ridiculous point that you are harping on-- but he used that word; he could have said it in a way that wouldn't have allowed anyone to mangle his meaning, but he didn't say it the correct way that I think he should have-- I'm sure you'd have addressed that poster with some choice adjectives, more disrespectful than "bogus," "desperate," and, "nonsensical."

Just think-- though the speaker has gone over the package with the press corps, 90% of Americans have no idea what is in it; how is that not an epic failure of the press? Is not the dissemination of just this sort of information, about what our government is trying to do, a prime example of the intended purpose of a free press?

You, yourself, are spreading this false narrative, so apparently believing the nonsense that no one knows the general shape of what is in the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill (since you assured me, in your previous post, that you never bend the truth, knowingly). Or did you mean that no one knows, because negotiations are still ongoing? As this would apply to ANY legislation that is not yet finished, it would seem that would be a bogus and disingenuous complaint, so I will assume that was not your meaning. If it is comforting to know, though, the price tag will only go down, and things will only be reduced or removed, from here out, in the negotiations.

 

The Dumbocrat response for posts like yours is usually "that's a whataboutism", but I'm not that lazy.

The Democrats embraced lies to justify removing Trump and violence across the nation. Democrats would embrace falsehoods just to contradict Trump, and they were always wrong. Trump says he gave aid to Puerto Rico that was misappropriated by a corrupt Democrat government, Democrats said Trump lied, and then we see pictures of aid that was locked away in a facility. Trump says Covid-19 came from lab, Democrats lie about it, and now it's the leading theory. Republicans complain about Cuomo killing people with his nursing home policies, Democrats stick their thumbs in their ears, and then Democrats have to push Cuomo out with some BS sex scandal cause his Covid response was completely insane. In fact, Democrats are the only ones that have lied about Covid-19 statistics, but they still keep lying about DeSantis fudging the numbers.

In any event, we all know what she meant to say, and it's a bad look for the Democrats. As if the media isn't doing enough to propagandize for left-wingers and hide Democrat scandals from the public. Remember when they had the media submit questions to Biden, so his script writers could provide him a response on the teleprompter? This isn't the same situation as Trump. Trump stood on his own two feet, and answered the toughest questions I've ever heard in any administration. He'd literally take the opportunity to call up the media, so they could ask him questions. It wasn't free media as some leftists conclude. A presidential candidate should want to take on questions from the media, but instead Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris hide like cowards. Then when they do have the 'balls' take those interviews, they require the media ask them pre-approved questions, and demand that certain topics not be discussed.

 

There's plenty of blame to go around. Lots of Republicans embrace and defend virtually anything Trump says, no matter how obviously false. So I don't see much moral high-ground for either side.

 

Trump had the media that his supporters tend to consume in his pocket. He still has much of it. The rest of the media falls under his "fake news" umbrella and his supporters don't listen to or believe them anyway.

I wonder what that statistic you listed there would be if you reported the same measurement for Trump-friendly media. It's easy to keep the MSM as the bad guy when you pretend they're the only media out there.

 

But it IS he press's job to INFORM people about the legislation, as they have been updated about it, from Speaker Pelosi, herself. Since the CBS News poll that the reporter quoted, said that only 10% of Americans thought they knew a good amount of detail about what is in the reconciliation bill, and a MAJORITY HAD NO IDEA what was in the package, that shows that the press has not been doing their job. As even Steve N noted:

Whether or not you realize it, Steve, that was essentially the same point that Nancy Pelosi was making.

 

What was obviously false? Seriously? I can't think of many significant issues where he wasn't later vindicated. Remember when he said his campaign was being spied on by the Obama Administration, and the Democrats in the media said it didn't happen. Turns out it happened.

There's blame to go around. I won't say that Trump had some outrageous opinions that were based on his own false assumptions. He wasn't knowledgable on many topics, and he definitely put out some false information. But it's relatively small stuff. And Trump is one guy. On the other hand, the Democrats and the left-wing media put out constant false information. Excuse me... They still put out false information. These are supposedly 'journalistic' institutions controlled by Democrats. Just a while back, they lied about hospitals in Ohio being overcrowded with people that overdosed on ivermectin. I've got a hundred that I could roll off the top of my head. Covington Catholic, Rudy Giuliani being warned by FBI, and the Colonial Pipeline ransom refusal. They still won't acknowledge that the Hunter Biden laptop is authentic, even though Federal Agencies have already verified its veracity. Hell... I've done it on the forum with pictures of Hunter jacking off in front of the laptop that Democrats are claiming isn't his. Total madness.

In the last five years, Democrats have come out against the first amendment, second amendment, fourth amendment, and the articles of the Constitution relating to US governance and separation of powers. They've come out against the flag and national anthem. They've come out against due process when it relates to their political enemies. They think people should be forced to undergo a medical procedure (vaccines) even though this is a total violation of the privacy clause underpinning abortion rights. They are literally writing discrimination amendments into their state constitutions because equal protection is getting in the way of social programming legislation for minorities. And throughout this whole process, they have pushed this narrative that corporate media speech should receive more protections than the speech of regular citizens. Moreover, they push for speech of political allies, and less speech for opposition without regard to harsh standards (like Covid enforcement) that they place (in contradiction) on the latter and not the former group. The Democrats are pushing the FBI and DOJ to crackdown on parents that protest school board decisions. This is an actual constitutional crises. And off-topic, let's not forget that many Democrats in politics and media absolutely refuse to criticize Chinese concentration camps, because they've got business interests in those countries.

For the love of God, Democrats like George Bush. Why? How? He literally lied us into a war, and we've come to accept that he (we) were wrong. There's no clearer example that Democrats have completely lost their moral compass. So yes. I fee like Trumpists, Republicans, Conservatives, and disaffected moderates and Democrats have the moral ground. As a Jew, does it bother me to see bad actors (Nazis, White Supremacists) on my side. Sure. But I see the Communists, Marxists, black nationalists, nation of Islam, etc. on your side, and I'm more worried about them. Why? Cause over 70% of mass shootings are perpetrated by groups that associate with Democrats.

 

A lot of what you write I don't have enough knowledge about, but it often seems to me your points are likely exaggerations of the reality. For example, who has advocated for enforced vaccinations? That is very different from vaccine mandates to perform a particular job. Perhaps there actually has been an occasional kook taking that position, I don't know, but I imagine it would have been widely reported if it was a mainstream democrat position.

But on the point of lies, Trump has been pushing the fraudulent election lie for months. That is the exact opposite of "relatively small stuff" - it really has the potential to lead the US towards civil war if it continues to snowball. All for his hurt ego. I don't see anything on your list as serious as a concerted attempt to fraudulently overturn an election. You might argue he really believes he won. I guess it's possible. But the last 5 years of his constant exaggerations, half-truths and untruths makes me think it's quite likely he just can't admit he lost.