Pennsylvania golf club apologized after calling police on black women members for playing too slow

Here is the statement from the owner yesterday...

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"Grandview currently has 2400 members. In the past players who have not followed the rules, specifically pace of play, have voluntarily left at our request as our scorecard states. In this instance, the members refused to leave so we called police to ensure an amicable result. The members did skip holes and took an extended break after the 9th hole. We spoke with them once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution."
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The thing I find most laughable is that they were first approached to speed up pace of play on the 2nd hole... that's a little soon to be making that call, IMHO.... Almost nobody plays well on the first hole of a round, especially on what might be their first round of the year on a cold day...

 

And it wasn't the course pro who approached them, it was the father. The course pro said they were playing fine.

Finishing the first 9 in 1:45 is not slow at all. I have never heard of such nonsense.

 

They were slowing the pace by the second hole.
After a long break at the turn, it was bad enough to ask them to leave. 3 of the 5 players did leave. (Note:5 players!!!)
2 refused to comply with the clubs rules and became trespassers. (Inconsiderate ones at that)

What you are suggesting is that they should not be expected to keep up the required pace and show the minimum about of courtesy to the other players because they are black. How is that not racist?

I can see it now: 3 groups of players waiting to tee off call the marshal to complain about a slow group and when he gets there he tells the slow, inconsiderate group: "I'm sorry. I didn't know you were African American. I will just tell the other players to be more patient!!!"

 

White privilege.

Also a new article in the LA times looks at how car dealerships and mortgage companies would routinely (2/3 of the time) charge blacks higher interest rates even if their credit scores were better than a white counter part. Some dealerships even had a code number to type in when it was a black customer. But nah racism doesn't exist, white privilege is fake. Keep living under a rock Nazi scum.

http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/
Toyota will compensate black and Asian borrowers to settle bias investigation

Toyota's financing arm will pay as much as $21.9 million to black and Asian borrowers who paid more for auto loans than whites, settling allegations of discrimination by federal regulators.

 

You left out refusing to leave when asked.

 

Black people are entitled to equal protection under the law

Which they have had since 1965

 

When I click on the link there is no story so I canr tell what this is all about

 

The club pro said they were fine.

The story says that three chose to leave voluntarily. Only after that were the two remaining players asked to leave. That seems odd, as the two should then have been able to play much quicker than a foursome. So why were they asked to leave if they were only two?

I have not seen any club rule that would allow the club to eject slow players from the premises. The guy who tried to eject them has issued a statement saying, "We spoke with them once about pace of play and then spoke with them a second time. During the second conversation we asked members to leave as per our policy noted on the scorecard, voices escalated, and police were called to ensure an amicable resolution." (From the link in the OP.)

Here is the problem. The Grandview Golf Club score card doesn't allow the club to eject people for slow play. See for yourself.

I never said that. All I say is that this doesn't seem to be a criminal matter. There was no reason to call the police. The police agreed.

 

If the club had no right to ask club members to leave, where is the crime?

 

I wonder what tje default rate is for whites and blacks?

 

We are in agreement, but you did post a scorecard from the wrong golf course... Yours is from Grand View near Pittsburgh... The one in question is from Grandview (no space) in York (see below). I bet neither of these courses has even a decent view....

They do have a rule on their scorecard (#10) about being asked to leave OR be asked to adhere to rules.

I think rule #3 is something to note as well... who's to determine what 'busy days' are??

 

They have every right to ask players to leave. As a golfer, I avoid courses that do not enforce the pace of play rules.

 

You are quite right - it does have that rule.

I'm still not sure that it amounts to a criminal offence. The police who were called certainly didn't think so.

 

Fixed

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-settlement-20160202-story.html

 

Well that certainly sounds bad

Except that all the dealerships I vist have plenty of blacks working there

And if it is an area with many black customers even more black salesmen are on the floor

How does that compare with white owned GM dealerships being closed during obsma auto bailout while black owned dealerships were spared?

https://www.bentley.edu/sites/www.b...cles/politics-taint-auto-industry-bailout.pdf

 

How can you honestly post an essay that starts with a claim that Obama created TARP???

 

Don't worry yourself, no black Republican will die trying to be a Republican. They're all welcomed.

 

They weren't asked to leave until they finished the round of 18 holes. Three had decided to leave at the end of the 9th hole without being asked to leave due to being upset at the 2nd hole

They finished the first nine holes in an hour hour and 45 minutes. The course rules state that the total time allowed is 4 hours 15 minutes hence they finished the first nine holes in less than half the maximum required time.

 

Good thing we play golf to relieve stress, then.

Couldn't these women just let the following golfer groups pass while they did their leisure thing? I suppose it's another traditional "no-no" in this ridiculous "sport" of the higher classes.

 

According to reports, they skipped the third hole (hence effectively allowing others to pass through) and waited at the fourth hole tee for groups ahead of them to complete the fourth hole

 

That makes no sense.... By skipping a hole, you are just going to the next tee immediately, giving nobody a chance to play through.

However, as you indicate, sounds like they didn't even NEED to skip the 3rd hole....

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The group continued playing, skipping the third hole to continue their pace. When they reached the fourth hole, they had to wait because the group in front of them had not teed off yet, Thompson said.
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Whatever was going on here, it doesn't sound like a legit pace of play situation. I don't like groups of 5 on the course, but it sounds like they were experienced enough to keep up anyway. Labour could have identified the issue as being about previously existing political issues between the club owner and one of the group.

 

Members are not owners of controllers if the course. There had been an hour delay that morning for frost so the course was already backed up. They took and "extended break" at the turn meaning their three golf carts are sitting there where they might be needed for later players. And it appears they got belligerent.
Lets keep those facts in mind.

 

Which indicates THEY WERE playing slow by the second hole on the course that was already an hour behind schedule and then took and extended break at the turn and then started getting belligerent which was why the police were called.

 

I like golf precisely because it's so snobby. I like to take the piss. I have access to a course that is $5000 for nomination then $4000 per year, I was talking to some bourgeois 60 year old chick and said in a posh accent "I've been playing at [a cheap, public course] recently to get acquainted with the plebeians ha ha ha *posh cackle*"

To my astonishment she laughed and replied that she often does the same.

The bathrooms are incredible. Like the executive bathroom from The Simpsons Samson and Delilah S02E15. Walls of neatly stacked blindingly white cotton towels, personalized lockers with artisan engraving and plating of the engraving with gold, an attendant to dry your hands and talk banter.

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The course is also stunning. They didn't allow women until recently and still give men priority in the management structure explicitly in the constitution. This sort of male exclusivity has rightly been removed from everyday life, but it's nice as a private members experience. Women seem to like Curves' women only fitness clubs after all.

Plus golf is a fun game. I'm terrible like 59.50% of players, so I don't care much how I go. If I hit 14 over it's a good day. But taking the piss... God it's so satisfying There's nothing quite like a fine cigar and a pub squash after a solid 18 holes, and **** talking to some golddigging whore or rich heir. It's the only game I know of that is deliberately designed to have most players fail. Par is a tough accomplishment, only 0.92% of players are hitting +1 or better.

I tend to agree that players should let others pass or otherwise play as fast as they can, but if people are clearly deliberately holding up the game out of spite or for personal enjoyment I would indeed support banning them from the club and if they refuse to leave calling the police and having them charged. It's different for public golf course, but not massively so. It's all about the context of the situation. If someone is making a scene deliberately it's perfectly reasonable to make them leave or call the police if they refuse.

PS: Golf is definitely a sport. If you've ever played 18 holes while unfit you'll know why the next day when your left arm and side torso muscles are killing you. It's an individual sport like shooting or long jump.

 

Yeah, been there, done that... I can even enjoy it if it's relax enough (I also suck at it) but in the end I tend to think like Michael's Douglas' character in Falling Down, that such beautiful spaces should be for the usage of famillies with kids, dogs, musicians and BBQs instead of these ridiculously-dressed bourgeois trying to hit above their professional par.