Perhaps this is why men earn more than women

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  1. danielpalos

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    I believe women should not be so good at lying to us and letting us miss our turn, as any form of equal work for equal pay.
     
  2. ryobi

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    I read a study that was in an African American journal that said the reason women get paid less than men is because they're more likely to major in subjects at University that result in them being qualified for less lucrative careers.

    Therefore the pay gap is for the most part a result of choice and not discrimination.

    Face it getting a degree in Physics is a lot more difficult than getting a degree in Sociology, but I'm under the impression feminists want women who study less difficult subjects at university to be paid as much as men who studied more difficult subjects at University.

    I'm under the impression that that's feminists idea of equality.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    As usual your impression is wrong.
     
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    Christina hoff sommers http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christ...b_2073804.html
    One of the best studies on the wage gap was released in 2009 by the U.S. Department of Labor. It examined more than 50 peer-reviewed papers and concluded that the 23-cent wage gap "may be almost entirely the result of individual choices being made by both male and female workers." In the past, women's groups have ignored or explained away such findings.
    as economists frequently remind us, if it were really true that an employer could get away with paying Jill less than Jack for the same work, clever entrepreneurs would fire all their male employees, replace them with females, and enjoy a huge market advantage.


    US reports http://www.consad.com/content/report...l Report.pdf

    http://ndsmcobserver.com/2014/02/exa...-77-cent-myth/

    http://spectator.org/blog/57588/obam...claim-debunked
     
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    Man...wish I could work less yet spend more :roll:



    Women are earning, spending, and influencing spending at a greater rate than ever before -- and they account for $7 trillion in consumer and business spending in the United States, and over the next decade they will control two-thirds of consumer wealth. Women make or influence 85 percent of all purchasing decisions, and purchase over 50 percent of traditional male products, including automobiles, home improvement products and consumer electronics.

    But 91% of women say that advertisers don't understand them.

    Recognizing the power and influence of women must be a top priority for marketers if they are going to tap into the market's full potential. Here are 30 surprising stats to help marketers get a handle on this misunderstood demographic.



    Earning Power

    1. The average American woman is expected to earn more than the average American male by 2028

    2. Fifty-one percent of U.S. private wealth is controlled by women

    3. Women account for over 50% of all stock ownership in the U.S.

    4. Women control more than 60% of all personal wealth in the U.S.



    Spending Power

    1. Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases, including everything from autos to health care

    2. Women make 80% of healthcare decisions and 68 percent of new car purchase decisions

    3. Seventy-five percent of women identified themselves as the primary shoppers for their households

    4. Women influenced $90 billion of consumer electronic purchases in 2007

    5. Nearly 50% of women say they want more green choices, with 37% are more likely to pay attention to brands that are committed to environmental causes



    Women and Cars

    1. Women buy more than half of the new cars in the U.S., and influence up to 80% of all car purchases

    2. Women request 65% of the service work done at dealerships

    3. Women spend over $200 billion on new cars and mechanical servicing of vehicles each year

    4. Forty-five percent of all light trucks and SUVs are purchased by women



    Mom Power

    1. Moms represent a $2.4 trillion market

    2. Fifty-five percent of active (daily) social media moms said they made their purchase because of a recommendation from a personal review blog

    3. 18.3 million Internet users who are moms read blogs at least once a month

    4. In 2014, 63% (nearly 21 million) of all online moms will read blogs

    5. Moms mention brands an average of 73 times per week compared with just 57 times per week among males

    6. Seventy-seven percent of mom bloggers will only write about products or brands whose reputations they approve of, and another 14% will write about brands or products they boycott

    7. Ninety percent of moms are online vs. just 76% of women in general

    8. Sixty-four percent of moms ask other mothers for advice before they purchase a new product and 63% of all mothers surveyed consider other moms the most credible experts when they have questions



    Women Online

    1. As early as 2000, women were found to have surpassed men in Internet usage

    2. Seventy-eight percent of women in the U.S. use the Internet for product information before making a purchase

    3. Thirty-three percent research products and services online before buying offline

    4. Women account for 58% of all total online spending

    5. Twenty-two percent shop online at least once a day

    6. Ninety-two percent pass along information about deals or finds to others

    7. The average number of contacts in their e-mail or mobile lists is 171

    8. Seventy-six percent want to be part of a special or select panel

    9. Fifty-eight percent would toss a TV if they had to get rid of one digital device (only 11% would ditch their laptops)



    The sources for the statistics cited in this article are as follows: She-Economy, Ms Smith Marketing, StartUpNation, Clickz, Inc.com, Girl Power Marketing, Catalyst, Forbes.

    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/ar...-know.html
     
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    Dead link, no surprises there.
     
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    why should your wife, daughter, mother, sister get paid less then you for doing the same work, that would just cheat your family.... unless of course one is an employer that wants cheaper labor for the same work and want to hire women for less?

    equal pay for equal work...

    is being a board member really work? or in most case is it just a perk of being rich.... (one women can handle all those positions at once, sound like a rich persons sluff job to me, more for the power than the money) - these jobs are usually payback for political favors or what not...
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    The whole "women earn 70% of men" mantra is based on skewed statistics and a lie.

    Here are the facts;

    the often quoted stat of 70 cents on the dollar was derived by taking the number of men in the workforce and dividing into the total earnings to arrive at the average salary per male, and the same for the women.

    Women more often will choose lower paying jobs and professions than men.
     
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    your correct, but I think the point should be not that number, but that like jobs receive like pay, regardless of gender...
     
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    The fact is once the comparison is correctly made of male vs. female at a specific company, for a specific job position, accounting for longevity, etc. the so-called pay gap shrinks to about 93 cents per dollar. The researchers found that disparity is attributed to the male workers being more assertive in asking for pay raises than the females. So go get 'em ladies.
     
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    Men are more willing to work long hours and are more willing to take on risky occupations. How many women work 48 hour shifts in an oil field?

    Everyone has an equal opportunity, however the expectation of equal outcome is just stupid.
     
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    How many women do you know who would actually do that?
     
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    Are you claiming woman are all wusses?
     
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    I am claiming I know far more women who expect the boyfriend/husband to handle things than taking things on themselves.
     
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    only the ones that have to lie to us and let us miss our turn.
     
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    Wow, quite the sausage fest I've come upon here. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr womens all the way.

    I was going to say something about how men being overpaid has nothing to do with who works harder and everything to do with tradition but I can see any kind of attempt to bring this conversation back down to Earth will be futile.

    Although, the irony is not lost on me, for the conservative stereotype of being angry old men is literally true in this thread.

    Anyway, I'm off now, back to the real world where men and women are pretty much equal with each other when it comes to anything except physical stature.
     
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    Has there been any study that actually counts men and women in the same exact jobs for the same time with the same experience and EXACT same qualifications? No? The studies just work on averages, which suck. Experience and pay go hand in hand. A woman who stayed at home for a while with the kids(awesome, my wife did it) probably won't earn as much as a guy who never stopped working since college. Frankly, why should she? Should a women with less experience and qualifications earn the same? NOPE. No two people should earn the exact same salary for the same job unless its proven they are equally skilled and experienced. More experience will often lead to more pay, until experience no longer translates to quality and/or efficiency. Same as the other way around. If a guy stayed home he doesn't deserve the same either. Its just the way it works.
     
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    How ever did you reach your conclusion about equality as a social concept?

    how many women gang up on guys and insist he has to put out a serious relationship. if women can't reverse engineer that, why do they believe they understand the concept of equal for equal pay.

    I believe men should be able to be as wrong as women, and still get plied with sex.
     
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    Short video explaining the myth of gender wage gap

    [video=youtube_share;mH4lb88DMeo]http://youtu.be/mH4lb88DMeo?list=PLF9E30586BCC 27FEF[/video]
     
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    If the porn sector is not wrong about compensating labor why should the non-porn sector be any more wrong?
     
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    I know several.
    I haven't found that to be true. Heck, even the stay at home Mom's I've talked to say 'take care of the kids.'
     
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    Your ignorance is astounding. THOUSANDS of women are the bread-winners in their families. The very fact that you even thought it was okay to put out the idea that men work harder than women and that is why they get paid more is appalling. No matter how hard a woman works, doubling and even tripling the efforts of their male counterparts, they will not get paid equally because of bias and nepotism and that is just fact.
     
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    The notion that all lawyers should make the same money because they all have the same job title is such utter nonsense.
    There are shakers and bakers in any line of work and all should be given their salary by merit, to be decided by the person who has to pay them, the *owner*.

    I once researched this and found that - as one example, male and female lawyers who have their own law practice had a sizable difference in earnings - yet, there is NO MALE BOSS determining this "unfair" outcome. Clearly the reasons for the economic disparity have nothing to do with sexism.

    So before people aver that women *on average* are as valuable an employee to a law firm as the average male attorney is, is just pipe dreaming. Go and PROVE that.

    Men and women are *different*, get over it.
     
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    Stopped reading there ^ since I know for a fact the claim is pure BS.
     
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    That invalidates your comparison to men and women employed by someone else, ALL self-employed people will have variances in their income. The question is why men and women employed in the same position for a business, with the same qualifications, the same level of work are paid different rates.
     

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