Perspectives Perspectives on Stillbirth and Late Termination of Pregnancy for Fetal Anomalies

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How would you support someone whose baby has a severe life limiting deformity

  1. Tell them to make the hospital do everything possible

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  2. Tell them to spend every last cent keeping the baby alive

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  3. Sever the relationship if they decide to palliative

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  4. Call them murders for deciding on palliation

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  5. Support them no matter what the choice

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  6. Council them and help them through end of life care

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    They are independent from their mother.
     
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    And is a baby independent from its mother before they snip the umbilical cord and before the baby takes its first breath?

    I saw a video where a woman gave birth underwater and the baby just swam out, making swimming movements tethered to the mother for nearly a minute before they pulled the baby above the water.
    They said it might seem dangerous but newborn babies amazingly have swimming reflexes and won't take a breath while they are underwater, so it was fine.
     
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  3. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Yes, a fetus becomes independent ( a baby) upon birth.....


    WHOSE FETUS IS IT ? :) :)



    Totally irrelevant blather
     
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    You seem to have a problem differentiating between a person and a fetus dependent on its mother’s body . You cannot seem to see the difference between something that weighs 1/10 of 1 ounce with a 25 pound eight-month-old. What you are doing is personifying a ZEF
     
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    It might have been for the best
    One thing for sure, if your mom had terminated you. .. the world would be very nearly the same, and you would be in heaven rather than worrying about this topic
     
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    A fetus and an 8 month old is dependent on it's mothers body for proper development.

    Harry Harlow's experiments are basic college topics...not to mention the 24/7 physical care they require. In many ways an infant requires more from the mother than it does before it is born.

    I do see the difference.

    I see a human being at various developmental stages who, if not killed, will become a fully functional adult as it grows and learns.

    You're the one that apparently sees them as two different things, when they're not.
     
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    An eight month old child is not dependent on its mothers body.. I wonder how adopted children survive? An eight month old child can be cared for by anyone and does not need a mothers body. Yes a zygote can develop into a child but it is up to the woman if she wants to allow her body to develop it.If it is the same as a child then I suggest you remove this fraction of an ounce “baby” and raise it and dress it in a little tutu
     
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    They are neither emotionally nor physically independent from their mother.
     
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    Of course it is. It requires it's mothers physical intervention to survive.

    Adopted children survive by it's parents caring for it, physically.

    Killing your own child must cause severe mental distress, which I suppose explains focusing one's life on the horrors of being called a "co-ed".
     
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    Yes, they are. ANYONE can take that newborn and raise it.
     
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    No it doesn't. ANYONE can care for a newborn..... a nurse, a sister, a brother, a stranger, a FATHER(EEK!), an adoptive parent, a grand parent…




    WHO do you think cares for a newborn when the mother dies in childbirth???

    WHO do you think takes care of it when the mother gives it up for adoption??

     
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    NO, it is not. It is dependent on someone to care for it for proper development.

    If an 8 months old baby's mother dies does the baby die, too?????

    REALLY!!!!???

    Recently in the news was the story of a woman in a coma who was raped and had a baby…..WHO do you think took care of that baby?

    The woman in the coma who delivered it?

    REALLY !!????
     
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    If the mother carrying a child in the womb dies, does the child die? Not necessarily.

    As for the rest of your nonsense, it's no different than a surrogate mother. We already know that a woman can carry a child to term that she shares no DNA with.
     
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    And a woman can carry anyone else's baby. What's your point.
     
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    Yes, I've seen "The State's" propaganda.
     
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    You did NOT answer the questions:
    FoxHastings said:
    NO, it is not. It is dependent on someone to care for it for proper development.

    If an 8 months old baby's mother dies does the baby die, too?????

    REALLY!!!!???

    Recently in the news was the story of a woman in a coma who was raped and had a baby…..WHO do you think took care of that baby?

    The woman in the coma who delivered it?

    REALLY !!????
     
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    The point is that YOU claim in Post # 56: ""A fetus and an 8 month old is dependent on it's mothers body for proper development. """


    ...and I proved you wrong.
     
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    :) That is NO answer to :


    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, they are. ANYONE can take that newborn and raise it."""


    Proving you wrong that an 8 month old baby needs it's mother.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great. Then why do we abort 600k kids a year that could be adopted then.
     
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    You didn't prove anything.

    Both are dependent on the mother's body to survive, whoever the mother happens to be is irrelevant.
     
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    Who took care of this baby?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11...after-mother-dies-in-crossbow-attack/10496554

    Same thing.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    :) That is NO answer to :


    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, they are. ANYONE can take that newborn and raise it."""


    Proving you wrong that an 8 month old baby needs it's mother.





    What has that got to do with your erroneously claiming that a baby needs the mother to survive? NOTHING.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Talk about changing the goal post AND the meaning of the word "mother"

    HILARIOUS!!!


    A baby does NOT need it's mother to survive and you have not proven it does...
     
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    You did NOT answer the questions:
    FoxHastings said:
    NO, it is not. It is dependent on someone to care for it for proper development. DID THE FETUS DIE AFTER THE WOMAN DIED? NO.

    If an 8 months old baby's mother dies does the baby die, too?????

    REALLY!!!!???

    Recently in the news was the story of a woman in a coma who was raped and had a baby…..WHO do you think took care of that baby?

    The woman in the coma who delivered it?

    REALLY !!????
     
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    The first breath triggers profound physiological changes

    For a start there is massive reorganisation of the central circulation to swap from foetal circulation.
     
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