Placating God Via Sacrifice

Jesus claimed that, not me.

But I tell you what, if I ever hear a goat saying he needs to be sacrificed for me I will certainly believe him.

In laymen's terms, which is apparently what you want, Jesus had to die because to humans death is the ending.

Once you die its over and we place very high value on death from rituals to beliefs. For God to show how serious he was he had to use that ultimate thing as a way to show us.

For instance, having Jesus sacrifice Himself by stubbing his toe wouldn't really work now would it.

When a soldier throws himself on a grenade to protect his fellow soldiers he is lauded as a hero, a savior, he helped people survive....only through death could Jesus demonstrate his willingness to save us.

I suppose He could have just told us but hell, people like you don't even believe the sacrifice part, you'd never believe it if he just told you.

Giving your life for someone else is considered the biggest thing one person can do for another.

Compassion is another and Jesus also demonstrated that. Unfortunately you can't be compassioned after you are dead. That is where we, His followers take over, where we live by His example and continue His work.

He needed to die to show us how far He would commit Himself to us, so we would go that far to commit ourselves to Him.

 

That really makes no sense. If Jesus was part of the trinity the death was meaningless. And to prove god's love and the forgiveness of sin leading to the afterlife Jesus would have had to sin in order to be gorgiven his sins and achieve life everlasting.

No to mention of course the lack of any actual evidence of Jesus rising from the dead to life everlasting.

 

Jesus wasn't part of the trinity when He died, he was human, just like you and me.

He sacrificed that part to be one of us for a brief time.

That means that every beating He took, every sword prick, He experienced.

He was put on the cross and it hurt, just like it would hurt you and me and he was beaten more and eventually died there, just like we would.

The sacrifice is Jesus leaving that trinity when He didn't have to in order to come down here and suffer to show us that if He can do it then so can we.

It was so difficult even He cried out to God to spare Him but God wouldn't answer.

Just like He doesn't always answer us when we want Him to.

Jesus's sacrifice wasn't so that we would never suffer, it was so we know what that suffering is about.

 

Think about that, Do you have any idea just how ignorant that is.
It worked for bronze age people, but the human race has evolved, most of it, that is.

 

What is ignorant about it when we see it everyday.

Don't tell people to do something you aren't willing to do yourself right?

How many commanders do we see leading their troops into battle and being the last one to leave?

We even make movies about them.

 

What's ignorant about it, is that some loving God says, "I want blood", it's everybody's, or yours, my son, but someone's gonna die.

 

After reading the bible twice, I see it completely differently. The orthodox interpretation of this book yields nothing more than a blood cult, another one. The aztecs also believed in blood sacrifice, cutting out hearts, in great numbers, in order to appease their gods.

I think the death, the blood shed, is allegorical, symbolizing the revolution in human consciousness that occurs when the ego, a fabrication of thought, is transcended and the mind is freed from egocentricity. Freed from an illusion that feels as real as the laptop I am typing on presently.

In regards to Christ, a message that was not being taught needed to be revealed to humanity. And given the religious system in place and the fact that this message was against, counter, an antithesis to that organized religion, Judaism, who had laws against teaching this message, demanding death of the heretic...well, of course anyone who taught this message would be killed. If he stuck to his guns and did not deny those teachings. And he stuck to his guns and that led to his death. So that very important message required the messenger to die in order to give it. And that is the sacrifice. His life for the perennial philosophy, the message that shows man how to be saved. And the way of salvation is told to us by christ, not Paul, nor the apostles or whoever corrupted his message, to the point that the Church is not based upon the teachings of christ in regards to salvation. The blood cult arose, where the blood of christ redeems you. Not logical, not rational, so its nonsense.

 

How did you come to that conclusion?

 

The Bible?

lol

How do you think I came to it?

 

That's not in the bible.
That's in your imagination.

 

What did Jesus ever say except that his message was just to the Jews and that if anyone left him he would toss their butts into the lake of fire? He was a lunatic.

 

We have no way of knowing what Jesus said.
We know what Mathew said, Jesus said, but nobody knows who wrote it.

 

David Koresh led from the front (so to speak) but this proves what exactly?

 

That he led from the front and died.

What do you expect it to prove exactly?

 

It proves that there is not much difference between a minor league cult leader and someone who starts a religion and becomes worshipped as a deity.

 

The Gospels are hearsay at best.

 

Maybe not.

I don't recall Jim Jones being resurrected however.

 

I am reminded of the following lyrics.

Oh God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”
Abe says, “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”
God say, “No.” Abe say, “What?”
God say, “You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin’ you better run”
Well Abe says, “Where do you want this killin’ done?”
God says, “Out on Highway 61”

 

Is there any proof Jesus was resurrected? I am told 500 people saw him when the truth is one person claims 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus.

 

Why do people always bring up the inability to prove a negative? Have you ever heard of Russell's Teapot?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

 

YOU asked for an explanation of Biblical philosophy, a spiritual and thus entirely subjective and unprovable subject. 'Russell's Teapot' places the burden of proof on those who would ask anyone to believe them. I asked no such thing, but merely answered YOUR question.

The question now is: if you require proof of God to even discuss the subject, why are you making threads asking about Biblical philosophy?

You wouldn't be trolling, would you?

 

God never asked for or condoned sacrificing anyone and please don't quote the Bible - God didn't write the Bible, so you're OP starts off on a lie.
Proof? Hillary isn't president - there's your proof.

 

I keep hoping/expecting someone will provide even a little bit of proof.

Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary proof - but how about just a little bit of proof. Without proof what is the basis for belief other that a suspension of critical thinking and/or brainwashing.

 

How can you claim God did not ask for the sacrifice of Jesus?

John 2:2 -He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. Note in some versions of the Bible the word propitiation is used here.

So I guess I did quote the Bible but if not for the Bible how do you determine what God wants or wanted 2000 years ago. Does God talk to you?

 

So 'people' can understand what wrong doing is. If there was 'free forgiveness' without any need of some 'counter' to sin, sin would never be seen as 'wrong doing'.