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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by gabmux, Jan 9, 2020.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Complete and utter bovine excrement STRAWMAN since I have not made any such statement anywhere!

    YOU started it with your BS assumption based entirely upon the gun obsessed FALLACY that there can be no freedom WITHOUT guns!

    Once you were proven to be WRONG you REFUSED to ACCEPT that there are WORKABLE alternative PEACEFUL solutions that achieve freedom from oppression WITHOUT guns!

    But don't let the DOCUMENTED FACTS stand in the way of your mistaken BELIEFS!

    All I have done is to PROVE that there are ALTERNATIVE PEACEFUL means to achieving freedom from oppression in order to DEBUNK your gun obsession fallacy!

    Next time you want to post another asinine STRAWMAN about me I recommend that you VERIFY what I actually posted BEFOREHAND!
     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 18, 2020
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  2. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Both Mandela dismantling apartheid and Gorbachev dismantling the USSR achieved freedom without guns.
    Wise men only kill as a last resort.
     
    Surfer Joe, Jan 18, 2020
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe freedom is unlikely without guns, but not impossible. Pretty sure you misunderstood me. Quote?

    You provided two cases where outside events beyond the control of oppressed peoples ended their oppression for them as examples where a successful revolt of people without arms overthrew armed oppressors. In neither of your examples did the resisters 'overthrow' (defined: remove forcibly from power) anything. They demonstrated against their oppression until someone/something else beyond their control saved them. Thats not 'overthrowing' by any stretch of the word.

    That's the goalpost I set, and the one you missed but claimed victory anyway.

    Try again?

     
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  4. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    Semantic QUIBBLING is your LAST RESORT after being PROVEN to be WRONG?

    GUNS are used to OPPRESS way more often than they are used to "overthrow"!

    In the instances cited WHO now has the POWER in those nations? The oppressor or the oppressed?

    The OPPRESSORS had the GUNS while the oppressed did not and yet WITHOUT GUNS the oppressed managed to OBTAIN both POWER and FREEDOM by using PEACEFUL alternatives to guns.

    The Peaceful Protests effectively obtained the EXACT SAME END RESULT which was to "remove from power" the oppressors.

    But thanks for once again proving my point about the gun obsessed being utterly fixated to the point of never considering any other reasonable PEACEFUL alternative SOLUTIONS.
     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 19, 2020
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  5. CCitizen

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    1) Leftists in USA 2020 also control almost all Academia. Their grip on Social Media tightens.

    2) According to Leftists, Freedom of Speech is not Freedom From Consequences. Anyone who defends Presumption of Innocence on a modern campus would soon learn.
     
    CCitizen, Jan 19, 2020
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  6. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After have gone on and on about me 'moving goal posts'... :rolleyes:
     
    modernpaladin, Jan 19, 2020
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  7. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Does the term "semantic quibbling" need to be explained?
     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 19, 2020
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  8. CCitizen

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    I would compare Trump to Stalin. Trump supports guns, Stalin sentenced about 680,000 people to death. Both use the expression "Enemy of the People".

    But Trump's opponents now have too much in common with Stalin's opponents in 1941. Modern Leftists support Censorship. Modern Leftists support Presumption of Guilt. Modern Leftists support scapegoating some people as "Privileged Oppressors".
     
    CCitizen, Jan 19, 2020
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, you made it very clear you're not concerned about the meaning of words when they conflict with your argument.
     
    modernpaladin, Jan 19, 2020
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  10. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

    Ironic PROJECTION at it's finest!

    :roflol:
     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 19, 2020
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Let's look at the HARSH REALITY of the extremist rightwing Domestic Terrorist Militias as identified by the FBI and the DHS instead!

    https://www.informant.news/p/virginia-gun-rally-four-things-you

     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 19, 2020
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  12. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In your opinion, do the items you listed above seem helpful in some ways? Or are they just making matters worse?
     
    gabmux, Jan 19, 2020
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    The fact that there is no Freedom in Academia and MSM, and soon Social Media makes our Society Totalitarian rather then Democratic.
     
    CCitizen, Jan 19, 2020
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  14. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's more evidence of that idea on the right side than on the left....
    "Totalitarianism is a political system or a form of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims. Totalitarian regimes are often characterized by extensive political repression, a complete lack of democracy, widespread personality cultism, absolute control over the economy, restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism….a totalitarian regime attempts to control virtually all aspects of the social life, including the economy, education, art, science, private life and morals of citizens."
    More than anything "Academia and MSM" are just trying to keep democracy from dissolving into Total Trumpism.
     
    gabmux, Jan 19, 2020
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