Police Reform

I prefer to think in terms of virtue rather than self-regulation although they are of similar ilk. It is said that virtue is the fundamentally necessary linchpin for any democracy, republic, or, for that matter, any civil society. That doesn't mean that every individual in a society has a pure virtuous attitude but that the average person and the vast majority see themselves as virtuous albeit not perfect and pure.

 

That’s a joke right? The officers are already underpaid and underfunded and you want to at least double the cost, while providing no raises and severe micromanagement?

 

That's exactly right, law enforcement salaries should be commensurate with the amount and type of crime within their assigned areas. I think the vetting process for new police officers should be extensive and the requirements include a college degree and military service. There should exist strict disciplinary system that limits infractions, everyone makes mistakes but Derek Chauvin had 17 complaints against him over nearly 20 years of his service, how is that OK? Again, if an individual rises to the level I described, they should be paid like lawyers or doctors considering the expectations and the hazards of the job.

 

We have cameras now on every street corner, in every building, in every business, in and outside every home, and amateurs filming everywhere digitally: One videographer at distance to get the whole picture, one videographer for close up.

Well worth it to prevent a shet storm like we're now in.

 

The establishment goal is to federalize them, so once they finally get Trump out and a globalist hack back in we can get back to the business of centralizing all authority away from the individual and the local community.

 

Police refused to police black areas, in the 60s, thus, blacks had NO CHOICE, but to band together, to protect themselves. Happening again. Right wingers, in this forum, and others, threatened, that police will stop showing up, if they dont love them some police, after they shoot unarmed blacks etc.

 

It’s not a threat, it’s a fact. Look what happened in Baltimore after Freddie Gray

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/31/5748...ord-high-murder-rate-on-lower-police-presence

 

Do you really think becoming a surveillance saturated society is the way to go? The majority of people are upstanding and law abiding yet the intrusion into our lives is already unacceptable. It's not just the cameras everywhere but the monitoring of all our electronic devices. Every time you use your car it's computer is creating data, your cellphone activity and internet habits are monitored, the data of which is stored in manifold servers. All of your purchases, your checking and savings, your investments, your political identity and religious beliefs are all part of an unending gathering of data to construct a profile that knows nothing about the actual real you. Are you comfortable with that? What exists now is primitive compared to what it is ultimately going to be because nobody spoke up, nobody cared enough and most people were unaware of. Think about this, every time you are surveilled in any way shape or form you have given up a piece of your right to privacy, your right to anonymity and these bits that are being chiseled away cannot be recovered. Eventually this will include to your right to self sufficiency and self determination and your sovereignty, you will no longer have the right of ownership of yourself. Any individual who is clever enough to avoid and evade such scrutiny, who flies under the radar, would be considered an outlaw, a criminal. All of the things we now take for granted will not exist in our great grandchildren's world. When somebody says what you suggest is Orwellian, it is because it is.

 

40% of all cops are domestic abusers.

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...rs-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/

The average cop IQ is 95-105

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-average-police-officers-IQ

This meansore that the average cop hired is mentally ill equipped to do the job.

The militarization of the police force does not help.

If you want to increase police pay and have higher quality professionals, that is a job for the free market.

So, disband the cops and privitize operations. Allow each town to hire their own, allowing each community to create their own high standards.

This will also create competition in the market place for the best professionals.

 

So you want to make police a for profit enterprise? How exactly does the private company providing the officers get paid for doing so? And if the government pays them, doesn’t that incentivize the company to arrest more people?

And what do the small cities and towns with tiny budgets who are already strapped for cash do?

 

Deputize and arm civilian volunteers, yeah that will work just fine..

 

https://noblenational.org/wp-conten...1st-Century-Policing-Implementation-Guide.pdf

Not a bad place to start, unless the Guide's author is offensive.

 

"PEOPLE"...No, we aren't. Democrats are. These corrupt police departments are shielded with unions who've funded the democrats and get what ever they ask for in their contract negotiations. When the left calls to get money out of politics, they never bring up the fact that Unions pay far more than big corporations and 99% goes to democrats.

 

Yeah.

So now comes the real solution, with city councils all over planning to drastically reduce funding for the police departments.

We're even more on our own. I'll be a martyr.

 

That's how democrats rolled in the south for almost 100 years after the civil war. They even had a nice uniform and everything.

 

Silk.

 

Well, I love how everyone glosses over the fact that the police unions will fight like hell against any of these solutions to be implemented. Gotta start at the police biggest shield, and the unions are always shielded by democrats. Its like when the left pays planned parenthood federal aid, then PPH turns around to "donate" millions back to the democrats.

 

Clarify through training and policy when deadly force is applicable. Treat any officer who uses deadly force inappropriately as a lawbreaker.
I understand it is difficult and dangerous being in law enforcement today, however the first answer should not be deadly force. Shooting an unarmed man in the back as he runs away comes to mind as an inappropriate use of force.
Better screening during hiring. There are instances where officers have lost their jobs do to "mistakes" and yet find it relatively easy to find a job somewhere else. This keeps a few people who shouldn't be in law enforcement from tainting good officers that do their job.
Tear down the blue wall of silence and the tendency to protect fellow officers no matter what. Realize that officers can make mistakes or even break the law themselves.

However none of this will do a lot of good unless our society can change attitudes towards race and violence.

 

Instead, how about we do that with the criminals?

 

The average IQ of everybody is 95-105

 

There is one small town in Washington state that had a one-man part time police force, was in a county with a sheriff and a few distant deputies, and had heard reports that antifa trouble makers were moving to smaller and more whitish suburbia places. The town of about 10,000 (including a number of blacks, latinos, indians and a few eskimos) had 1000 or so with open carry permits. They all agreed to carry their firearm everywhere they went for the nest few days with many volunteering to patrol and stand watch. I haven't heard how it all came out, but that is basically how militias work.

 

Hes serving 20 yrs in prison, but go on...

Careful now, that could raise the bar too high and leave a lot of minority and women out of the police jobs, and there for be discriminatory.

You mean unions?

Like how? Wish they did a poll on who found this killing to be justified/unjustified so we can see who actually thinks the police "didn't do nuffin". I don't know of a single person in real life who condones the killing or thinks the police shouldn't be in jail.

 

There ya go!

 

You and many others are making the mistake that this is about one incident. It is a pattern seen through many incidents.
Until people get past the us verses them mentality we will have similar problems. One can not effectively rule when one divides the people one is supposed to serve.

 

We aren't making that mistake. We see this as a clear cut stance that the cop was WRONG. We also do know that many others propped up as the beginnings of BLM were FAKE NEWS. Michael Brown was fake news. Treyvon was fake news. And list goes on. Even Fernando Castille was fake because everyone wanted to attribute the cops fear into racism. Most agree that Zimmerman should have been in jail for manslaughter, but they over charged. The cop that kill Castille should have done time, but was over charged. This cop will probably be acquitted cause he is being over charged. This is one that gets a lot of people out to agree with the protests, but they go away when the riots start.

You had conservatives coming out against cops because they were enforcing unjust laws. You had them coming out when unarmed white men were shot and killed in a hotel while lying on their stomach being given conflicting commands. You lose it when cops who are trying to save black communities from looting, rioting and arson are killed by BLM or ANTIFA.

I agree, and when you get through their shields, which are UNIONS, and the UNIONS ally of democrat law makers, we can have the reform everyone calls for. But since this happens in mostly democrat cities with the citizens voting for 100+ years for more democrats, and republicans are safe out in the burbs, its like watching people touch the stove and getting burned and turning around to touch the stove again. After so many times of telling them they are killing themselves, you eventually have to leave them to their own devices. Does the military need to come in like when they had to liberate the south from segregation?