Poll: most people who voted in 2016 want to abolish the Electoral College

Yes, it would be tantamount to letting California decide whom will be president. Hillary won California by 4.3 million votes, but lost the other 49 states by 1.4 million. The thing is that the ideology, the philosophy on how middle America views things is completely different than either the Northeast or California. California has 55 electoral votes, 12.5% of the total electoral college votes. That is 20.4% of the total electoral college votes needed to win the presidency. That is quite a say in the election outcome.

 

And this is not a dem vs rep thing either. How can someone of middle income go into politics and come out a multi millionaire. Something truly stinks in Washington. Can this not be an issue that both parties can rally around.

 

MUNEY, MUNEY, MUNEY

You're right, it is almost Mission Impossible in the USA of today. Term-limits were the one-idea that ever pleased me from the Replicant Party. It's a shame that law never passed when proposed in the 1990s. (See here.)

Still when one researches further into the subject, it seems that a serious study was indeed done. See: The Costs of Reform:Consequences of Limiting Legislative Terms of Service
Abstract:

I keep hoping the younger-set will wake-up to what is happening, but, we'll I dunno. Maybe its beyond them, some seem so naive about the world and others fixated on, "Whatz init fer me?"

I wonder what ever happened to all that enthusiasm for change that the Vietnam War triggered. It's as if we've gone back to the 18th century in a time-machine, and all that matters is the muney, muney, muney.

How did a second-rate actor become PotUS, and now a guy born with a Golden Spoon in his mouth who has never really-worked a day in his life ...

 

Yes enough said! It is called tyranny by the majority. It would mean that the very liberal coastal states would always select the president. Remember, each state is soveriegn. Each state wants to have a voice in who is president. If you abolish the EC, states will be disenfranchised. And remember, we are NOT a democracy, we are a republic.

 

Did you say Trump never really worked? lol. All he does is work.

 

Not really. If you would have told them this would mean Ca would choose your president from here on out, they would have said hell no. So you have to tell them the rest of the story, for they have no clue what the electoral system does. Civics is no longer mandatory, for our politicians bank on the uneducated.

 

WHAT THE HELL WENT WRONG?

I do agree with the idea that the matter deserves Great Attention (that it will not get) from this crowd of Replicant "national leaders" now infesting both Congress and the White House. They have waved their magic wand of unlimited money and effected the voting consequence that they feel necessary to subsist as "Masters of the Universe". At least "our universe".

An archaic 19th-century instrument called the Electoral College just helped democracy in America shoot itself in the foot. Donald Dork lost the popular-vote by a resounding 2.86 (almost 3 million votes), yet won the presidency.

And is he ever prancing about with joy. (I did it! I did it! I did it!)

But nobody is asking "What the hell went wrong in American democracy whereby a candidate can lose the Popular-Vote and still inhabit the White House!?!"

Frankly, maybe he's your PotUS but he's definitely not mine ...

 

Perhaps he is more intelligent and sees the bigger picture. Why would the whole country be a hostage of one state? In this case California. The electoral college is great. It represents the whole of the USA.

 

You call it "work" because you voted for the dork?

He aint working for me and he is not working for the 65,844,610 American voters who did not vote for him. In fact, most of those nearly 66 million voters (a majority of the popular vote) think "We wuz robbed of the presidency"!

But not you obviously - cuz by-hook-or-by-crook by means of an antiquated mechanism called the "Electoral College" you got "your guy" ...

 

Agreed!

But lets start somewhere/anywhere - because a travesty of justice has been done to American Democracy that ha become impossible to accept.

For the next four years and particularly the next mid-terms, we must not forget that fundamental change is necessary in our electoral-system that has proven itself to be cravenly dishonest yet again (for the sixth time in history).

From Pew Research: Trump’s victory another example of how Electoral College wins are bigger than popular vote ones - excerpt:

Ours is a divided nation when one looks at the popular-vote pattern of many recent elections. Meaning what? That a PotUS election going one way or the other in the archaic Electoral College is riding on a thin string in most elections. In fact, it is only one or two million votes - about the number (closer to 3M votes) that Hillary actually got but were not reflected in the Electoral College.

How long are we going to accept this blatant dishonesty in our so-called "democracy"?

We, the sheeple, need just push it the "other way" to obtain the Truly Representative Democracy that we want and deserve as a nation - which is going to take one helluva lotta work over the coming years.

Inevitably we need to end the antiquated and useless Electoral College and that will require a National Referendum that is binding upon Congress. Do we need to start rioting to get that referendum?

Let's hope not, but less balanced minds will likely do so ...

 

One can only laugh at ignorance of some Americans on this forum. They start a thread, they want to debate things and only prove how very little they know about their own country. The United States of America is not a parliamentary democracy, the United States of America is a constitutional republic. Learn the difference.

 

The "college" elected to PotUS a person who lost the popular-vote by almost 3 million votes, and you call it "great"?

Wherever did you put your "sense of proportion". Just flushed it down the toilet ... ?

 

You are asking for the corrupt to cure themselves?

Good luck with that one.

Let's start with term-limits then we take down the Electoral College. Then we require eligible voters to vote - they can vote blank (for president this year 2 million voted blank) but they vote instead of just blathering-in-a-blog ...

We will finally bring "Real Democracy " to America ...

 

We're not a democracy and we don't get to vote on everything. Nuff said

 

We don't want real democracy. It's a stupid form of government

 

If true it's a sad commentary on the education level and intelligence of the average voter

 

It's hard to believe those like you can't grasp the big picture here. Nobody could be that stupid so I have to assume you guys are just dishonest.

 

Those states wont pass it because they would in effect be voting themselves irrelevant in the voting system. The whole thing is a leftist wet dream.

 

You Liberals still don't get it. Sure you won the popular vote only because you have a few big states with very large populations. But how did Americans all across the country vote? Let's see.

Q: In the election, did Hillary Clinton only win 57 out of 3,141 counties?

A: No. Clinton won at least 487 counties, according to two different counts of preliminary results.

So Trump won 2,654 more counties across the country than Clinton. Most of the counties won by Hillary were in mostly a few big populated Blue states. America spoke all across the country and it wasn't for Democrats. You not only lost to Trump, but you lost the House and Senate and many governorships too. Because you lost all those governorships, House and Senate that aught to tell you the majority of Americans across the country didn't like what the hell the Democrats were doing and the direction they were going. I might agree with you if only Trump had won and you picked up seats in the rest. But you didn't and the message was clear. We didn't want to go where you wanted to take us. But you ignore how the rest of the country voted and want to control future elections by having the larger population in a few big states and win by the popular vote. See how smart our forefathers were? They set it up to prevent just what you losers want to do.

 

Not in the least. More than two-million Americans blank-voted the presidential ballot listing. A bit less than the margin by which Hillary won the Popular-Vote (at 2.85 million votes).

Evidently, they did not find satisfaction from either candidate.

 

Only under very special circumstances, and they have not been met any of the times it's been the deciding factor. The EC was put in assuming that political parties were not in existence and were not going to be, as they were regarded as a positive evil by most of the Founding Fathers

 

Moving right along ...

 

there were fifty individual state votes.
Learn the system and deal with it.

 

Why do you ignore my post and keep up with your silly reasons?

 

you should, along with your juvenile real democracy fantasies.