Link. As I've said before I don't usually look at polls this far out especially in a tight race, but after all the delusional "Paul Ryan is drawing huge crowds" threads I decided to do a little checking. Looks like either it is too early to tell or any movement has been negligible. I just wanted to inject a little reality into the conversation. Now that is not to say these polls are predicting election day. They may not even be accurately predicting today, but they are certainly more accurate than partisan hacks posting on the internet. What do you guys like better, semiobjective polls or the ravings of partisan hacks on the internet?
I don't think the point was to say they're getting more supporters, but the base is now energized. Now they have (In their eyes) a real Republican, one with conservative values.
I'd say so. Obama supporters have been energized by PR as well. A crazy Mormon who supports death squads was bad enough, now we have a guy who wants to kill grandmothers. The Obama hive is swarming.
leftlegmoderate, I don't know if your statement is accurate. There certainly seems to be an enthusiasm gap from 2008.
The bounce will come at the debates. Biden will say some racist crap about putting people in chains, and Ryan will slap his face with common sense and facts.
just wondering if these are likely voter polls or registered voter polls, went to the polls themselves and they give no demographic or methodology data. Only idiots and fools buy into polls that they cannot see the demographics and methodology of. Take for example this poll from a week ago http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-presidential-race/ Obama up 9 points ...time for libs to celebrate right ? hmmm wait a sec, that is just registered voters ooops in extremely interested voters they are tied 48- 48 then we scroll down to political identification of the people polled wow 44% Democrat, 35% Republican and 14% Independent...
No doubt about that. Even CNN seems to be less defensive of Obama as of late. But there is still Obama's core and die hard supporters who seem to have stepped it up a notch upon the announcement of PR as VP.
got a source for that statement ? according to Gallup as of July 25 http://www.gallup.com/poll/156194/democratic-voting-enthusiasm-down-sharply-2004-2008.aspx
VP pick provides a fresh new target so you would expect new attacks. Are they more elevated this time? Maybe. But I would attribute that to the fact Ryan actually put something concrete down on paper. That's a big no, no in DC. We will see what happens to Ryan. If him and Romney lose a significant number of votes in the 50+ crowd then we can expect that no reasonable discussion of Social Security and Medicare will occur any time soon.
you opened the door by saying that Dems were more enthusiastic this year, I proved you wrong using facts not opinions, live with it
Romney leads by 2 points in a recent Gallup poll, where he hasn't had a lead since June. Many of the other polls still have not been updated from where they were prior to Ryan being chosen. Does this thread count?
I'm certainly not saying that I hope Democrats are energized. I plan to vote for Romney myself, even though I wasn't too excited about his VP pick.
Ryan wasn't my first pick either, I am sure a lot of the farther right wing people are. Anyway if this energized the Dems then good, because if it Ryan's pick did energize them then that means they are worried. With Biden's gift of gab I can see why
I dunno...it's kind of entertaining. I haven't seen this much enthusiasm since Rick Perry announced his candidacy.
LOL. Forgot about ol' Ricky! How's he doing? Seriously though it is too early to tell anything about November. Anything can happen. I just threw this poll up here so at least there was one kind of objective data point.
To be fair, there are few undecideds at this point. Most are unmovable. Ryan certainly doesn't help. Broadly, it's similar to the Palin pick, gets partisans drooling, turns off moderates. The difference is it also motivates liberals thinking about staying home for belief that Obama is too centrist. Radical Ryan gives another reason to get motivated to vote.
This may be the third time in US history (after 1920 and 1996) in which both vice presidential candidates would make better presidents than their running mates. In other words, Romney picked a man capable of being a great president instead of trying to cater to one specific interest group or being manipulated by party leaders.
Both Biden and Ryan will end up inserting their foot into their mouths and chewing vigorously. They'll both get the traditional bumps that candidates receive after debates/conventions. History always repeats itself.
