Polls show Biden will win - like Hillary, right? Opinion

Hillary wins by a landslide!

 

I really dont know who will win. No one knows.

 

Without a doubt the most important issue in this campaign is locating Hillary's emails. That and keeping negros out of our wonderful suburbs. We have to keep telling ourselves that the polls are always wrong. It will be important to maintain that stance throughout the election. The defenders of a Biden win say look the vote is consistent with the polls. Republicans must counter by saying it's just proof that the election was rigged because the polls are always wrong. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

Which was good, that she lost. I never liked that beast. This election, though, is different, and on 11/4 you'll be forced to realize it.

 

You got it.

 

Good Luck! I am saving your post for re-posting when Trump wins.

 

Likewise. Here is what is in your future:

 

Welcome back. It will be fun to get to explain to you why you are wrong, again.

 

When did I say it's honorable? I said, it's a lack of integrity. What part of this you didn't understand?
Why are you doubting MY honor? I'm just saying, I understand that UNFORTUNATELY all politicians do it.
No, the promise by Trump was for THE MEXICANS to pay for the wall. Not his attempts to appropriate other monies (including, military funds), not we, the taxpayers, paying for it..
And no, doing a little bit of good with prescription medicines doesn't cancel the fact that he PROMISED beautiful healthcare for all of us, day one. It's been almost four years.
My responsibility? I'm just one voter, and I think that Biden, warts and all, is still far better - or I should say, a far lesser evil - than Trump. That's my opinion as a free American citizen and I'm entitled to it, and you saying that I "seem void of honor" is a personal attack not allowed by the rules of this forum, and I don't appreciate it.

 

Based on the GOP internal polling, if the election were held today, Trump would win 280 Electoral College votes based on current leads that do not include Michigan, Pennsylvania and Nevada where the races are too close to call.

 

Anyone who sees deceit as acceptable as you do, would seem dishonorable to most. That is a fact, an observation that it "seems" that way. Go ahead and report. You "seem" to approve the censorship by Facebook and Twitter of something the New York Post found plausible so go ahead....it's right up your alley! However, I have not violated any rules by expressing what it "seems".

You said you were abhorred that Biden raised his hand to give free healthcare to illegals then renigs because that is just a political ploy, yet I am naive because I don't approve of it. If you feel that is an honorable tactic (because you are now saying he won't live up to his pledge) then I can say it "seems" you are less than honorable.

 

Again, where did I say it's acceptable, dammit??? STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!!
I am not in the habit of reporting fellow posters. I was just saying that your personal attacks violate the policy. You said I lack honor. You never understood that I don't endorse any of it, lament it, and consider it lack of integrity. The only thing is, they all do it, so if that's what we look at, we can't vote in any election. Duh.
You are not naive because you don't approve of it. I don't approve of it either, like I made abundantly clear. You are naive because you don't seem to realize that THEY ALL DO IT!!! Are you really under the impression that Trump possesses any integrity and honor whatsoever? LOL.
Again, why IN THE HELL you say I consider it an honorable tactic WHEN I SAID THE EXACT OPPOSITE?
You should seriously look into your habit of putting things in people's mouths. It's not cool.

 

Here is a lot more detail on what pollsters have changed, from 15 pollsters.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-2016-and-what-still-worries-them-about-2020/

 

You didn't say it was acceptable. But you admit he said it. Then you say he never had any intention to do it. That is deceit to win an election. This is your champion and YOUR words! Deceit is dishonorable!

Oh, they all do it. Politicians do it. Biden is a 47 year creature of the swamp. He does it better than anyone else. He has been all over the map for 47 years, swaying in the direction the wind blows. His only accomplishments are sucking up to have influence and make a lot of $$. China really likes him. They like Kamala too. That's as left as politicians get.

Trump has moved in the direction he said he would in every instance in spite of those that spent 3-1/2 years in an attempted coup. That is remarkable. He hasn't fishtailed at all as you admit Biden has done to win the nomination.

Trump has moved around the "Resistance" and has built almost 500 miles of wall in spite of that. And yes, Mexico is paying for it gradually. They have 20,000 soldiers helping to protect the border where there is no wall. Nafta is done and they lost a huge monetary advantage there. The mere fact Biden raised his hand with the other Marxist/Democrats, had those who would enter illegally, hot to trot to invade with a Democrat victory.

We've had virtually 40 years of open borders. As a General Contractor for many of those years, I found myself having to compete with illegal labor. Reagan tried to give one time amnesty, but the globalists tricked him. The Bush's and all the others did nothing about it until Trump. Yeah we know the Establishment and we know the Swamp. Biden is a pro China Swamp Creature!

 

My champion? I just think of him as the lesser evil. I pinched my nose when I voted for him.

What lots of money? His net worth is US$9 million. Mine is more than that. Like him, I've been working hard for 40 years, my wife also makes good money, we've been saving, investing, buying and selling property, so 40 years later, yes, we actually got more than Joe and Jill Biden. There is nothing extraordinary in accumulating 9 million dollars after 47 years of hard work. Most of what Biden has, comes from real state valuation and book fees, and speaking fees. No need to bring a China conspiracy theory to the mix. Biden was always the senator with the smallest net worth. Sorry, selling the idea that Biden is corrupt is convenient to the Trump campaign, but it's just not true. His son Biden, though, I suspect that he is a crook, but he's not running. He is 50 years old. He makes his own decisions.

You have a point. I never supported this impeachment effort. I think, once he won, he's the president, elections have consequences, and if some are unhappy, they need to work hard to defeat him in the next election, period.

I admit to it, but I see it as something that all politicians do, including Trump, and I don't like it, don't condone it, find it despicable, and a sign of a lack of honor and integrity. Unfortunately it seems to come with the territory. I think that the kind of personality that makes someone seek elected office, is already a distortion. Really good people don't run. Famously, Douglas Adams, the brilliant author of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, said that "anybody who is running for president is not qualified, because the qualified ones don't run."

Frankly I think that's an exaggeration. Biden is not a Marxist. Not even close.

I hate illegal immigration. I hear you. In my personal opinion, we should deport these people, all of them if possible, and ban them from re-entry in any capacity or visa, for a lifetime. But precisely because of our discussion here, while I was watching the NFL, I browsed Biden's website. I found no evidence of any policy of open borders. Much the opposite, he talks about tightening up border surveillance. I also found NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of free healthcare for illegal aliens. None. I read his Immigration topic and his Healthcare topic. Not for a moment he talks about extending any health benefits to illegal aliens. This is a fabrication of the Trump campaign.

You might think, it wouldn't be there. Oh, it would. When Bernie Sanders was running, I looked up HIS platform, the same way. It said in all words, nothing ambiguous about it, that he intended to extend free healthcare to "undocumented immigrants" (a.k.a., illegal aliens).

Biden's platform is much more moderate. It still has several ideas I don't approve of (such as endorsing family reunion visas rather than employment visas, and many many others), but among them, open borders and free healthcare for illegal aliens are nowhere to be seen, there.

 

There is no way Hunter could have extracted his millions without his Dad. He even admitted it. Check into other family members of the Biden Dynasty as well.

I think you are exactly correct there. Biden is not a Marxist. He is an opportunist. He was VP to a Marxist, has a Marxist on his ticket, and has made promises to Marxists such as Beto and Butijeg )sp) in order to win the primary.

They don't stand, I don't watch. Black Lives Might Matter but the NBA doesn't.

Give it more time. The Steele Dossier had 3-1/2 years.
Please don't take any of this personally Center.....we are just exchanging ideas.

 

LOL. They are wrong. The same GOP internal polling got Romney beating Obama. Romney even purchased fireworks. We know how accurate that prediction was.

538 currently has Trump with a 12% chance, Biden 88%, or something like this (I read it this afternoon, don't recall the precise numbers, but if not this, something very close to it).

 

Oh, as long as you stop putting words in my mouth - and you did stop; thank you - I'm fine with you. Yes, we're exchanging ideas. We may have more in common than you think. I'm a centrist and I do harbor some leftist views especially in domestic social matters, but I likely harbor more rightist views overall, in topics like foreign affairs, energy, the environment, the economic system, immigration, etc.

For the longest time I considered voting for Trump. I posted a thread here discussing the pros and cons of both tickets, saying that I was one of the last undecided voters. Ultimately I settled for Biden, mostly because of Covid and healthcare, but there are many other topics in his platform I don't agree with, and I do agree with what Trump says about the same topics. Still, overall, I think that Trump is currently wrong for America.

Like you, I'm a patriot. I just want what I think is best for our country. We disagree on some of it, and that's fine.

Now, the primaries, and his choice for veep. I think the Democrats running were a bunch of incompetent lightweight nincompoops, some of them pretty crazy. Maybe the only one who had a hint of solidity, Tulsi Gabbard, nobody wanted to consider and she ended up with less than 1% of the vote. Of that sorry bunch (minus Tulsi) I think that Biden is indeed the least bad.

You have a point about those sorry excuses for a politician in the Dem primaries. The problem though, is that the alternative, Trump, in my opinion is even worse.

Veep: I do not like Kamala Harris at all. At one point, I had said, "if Biden picks either Elizabeth Warren, or Kamala Harris, or God forbid that moron Bernie Sanders, I won't vote for him." I thought that I could stomach someone like Tammy Duckworth or even Susan Rice.

So I was dismayed when he picked Harris. But then Trump started this s... of "you don't need to fear this virus" and started endorsing the HUGELY stupid and detrimental Herd Immunity policy with that quack Scott Atlas pitching it to him, and I thought, "Kamala as veep or not, we need to boot these idiots out of the White House before they kill hundreds of thousands of additional Americans."

So, my take is, I voted for Biden in order to remove Trump and his goofy team of "experts" out of the White House, the CDC, and the FDA so that we get this dangerous outbreak under control, but I also voted for my state's Republican senator, to hopefully keep the Senate with the GOP so that it can function as checks and balances to avoid extremism, especially if Biden croaks and Harris becomes POTUS [CenterField shudders].

If Biden wins, remains alive, and the Senate keeps him in check, the worst that can happen is some sort of ineffective presidency for 4 years, then we boot him out.

But Trump? He's damaging the country too much, for my taste, both in public health and healthcare, and in undermining Democracy (last rally he was chanting "lock them all up." Trying to lock-up one's political opponents is stuff for Russia, North Korea, African and South American dictatorships (the latter no longer exist), not something for the United States of America.

 

Just two things I would respond to that I haven't touched on. The China Virus, which I believe was intentionally inflicted on our nation and others nid not come from a bat but was cooked up in a lab. There needs to be accountability there to the best of our ability, financially and short of war. The biggest weapon used against us there is fear. Shutting down the American economy is a Communist Dream. What Trump has repeatedly said is true "the cure seems to be worse than the disease.". Suicide, drug use, domestic abuse, halted education, ....those things are never considered by the CDC and the left. They knew that had the economy continued the way it had prior to march there would have been no way in hell they'd win an election. Fear has been their greatest advantage. If one was to look at total deaths in America for the last four years, he will see that we are behind every year in "total deaths". Kind of indicates how overblown the China Virus fear is.

The other thing I have not mentioned is the respect for life. I am pro-life. Abortion is not birth control. There are other means to accomplish that. The culture suffers because of such disdain for life. Biden himself and those he would empower stand for abortion up to the moment of delivery. It is despicable.

 

Sorry, my friend (I'm not trying to be sarcastic; I just appreciate the polite tone our exchange evolved into so I think of you as a pen pal, now), but reading your preoccupations, I frankly think that you've been reading some sources that present events with a very rightist bias, and they can be just as biased as the leftist sources. You know, on the matter of bias, Breitbart is just as bad as the HuffPo.

So, some of your concerns above seem to be coming directly from such sources, and you're taking them as truth. Let's think about them for a moment and see if it's likely that they are true. On this, keep an open mind, please.

The genetic material in viruses these days can be genetically sequenced, and the sequence in building blocks of the genes can be precisely determined, and compared to those of similar strains or similar viruses (for example, those in bats and pangolins). For a virus to be weaponized and tampered with, one would see the spurious genetic sequences that are not naturally occurring. This signature would betray the human interference with the virus.

First of all, this sequence has been looked at, and there were no signs of human tampering. None whatsoever. The sequence looked perfectly innocent, perfectly compatible with a virus that jumped species from bats to humans.

So, this signature functions as a powerful deterrent, because a country can't easily get away with it without leaving cues behind. Can you imagine the world's reaction against China if they had done that? War would happen and the Chinese are not suicidal.

Another way to know that they didn't do this, is that the outbreak started in China. So, if they wanted to screw the other countries with a man-made or man-tampered virus, and knowing that there would be a reaction that would most likely include war waged by multiple powerful countries against them (a war they would certainly lose), if the Chinese wanted to do that, they would not give away the plot by starting the outbreak in China thus allowing everybody to point to them and talk about the China Virus or the WuFlu.

They would have, instead, covertly sent agents with the virus to other countries and start the outbreak over there, so that when scientists diagnosed the new virus as man-made or tampered with, they wouldn't be able to point the finger to China.

Also, this is a lousy choice for a biological weapon. This virus seems to kill some 0.65% to 1% of people infected. As far as biological weapons go, this is peanuts. There are many other viruses that kill 50% of the people infected, so why pick this one?

Then you have to think, how stupid it is to make a biological weapon and then unleash it... in your own freaking country??? The thing could spread among them first and cause havoc.

And finally, you need to understand that while China in the long run would probably be delighted to see the Western economies faltering, they'd only want to see this happening AFTER they no longer depended on us for trade. As of now the Chinese economy is enormously dependent on exports and trade with other countries. An economic crisis everywhere doesn't serve their interests. Their economy is based on manufacturing and sales of those goodies to other countries. With every economy destroyed, who would buy from them? This coronavirus crisis has hurt the Chinese economy quite strongly, too. This pandemic does not appear to be in their best interest.

So, that would leave the possibility of an accidental release. Also not likely. I read an article months ago (now I wouldn't know how to find the link) that contained the words of an American scientist who has worked at the WuHan Virology Lab for a while. He said, "do you all think that it is really likely that this virus escaped from a lab which is level 4 security, with several layers of security, with people manipulating the viruses in full blown hazmat suits head to toe and decontamination procedures when they leave the area, rather than hitting one of the hundreds of thousands of tourists that enter caves full of bats with no PPE whatsoever???"

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Shutting down the American economy and the side effects of the lockdown. Agreed. I'm not for a lockdown. The price to pay is to steep, and you mentioned some of it, and I agree.

However I see that you tend to blame the Democrats. Well just this week there was the leak that the White House tried to persuade the Tennessee governor to declare a lockdown, to deal with an outbreak there. President Trump has actually initiated this talk, and even at some point said he'd declare it unilaterally, and governors were outraged because he doesn't have this constitutional authority, remember? And he said for example that he thought that Georgia was opening up too soon.

Also, consider that many of the states that locked down, did so on orders of their Republican governors. I wouldn't single out one party to make it responsible for lockdowns. Both parties did it.

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Excess deaths: I don't know where you're getting your data. The CDC data points to a likelihood that by the end of 2020 we'll have had 350,000 excess deaths. We did this calculation in another thread, after a post by that poster LoneStarGal. No, there is no exaggeration regarding the Covid-19 deaths. If anything, we've been undercountig.

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Abortion: I'm a practicing Catholic and so is my wife - she is even more devote than I am. We would NEVER engage in abortion. But we both feel that we can't impose our religious and moral views onto others. We lament abortion but we don't try to get people away from that. If one respects life and we both do not only because of our religion but also because we are both healthcare professionals, then it should be across the board, and we're appalled at seeing supposedly pro-life people shooting doctors and bombing abortion clinics, and also, usually the very same people who are against abortion are for the death penalty, and against anything that could support that baby once he/she is born, like food stamps to keep him/her fed and Medicaid to keep him/her healthy. So, one has the impression that certain conservatives are only interested in protecting that life while it's still in the mother's womb, but as soon as the baby is out, hey, he/she is on his/her own. Is that the Christian thing to do, to deny to this baby food and healthcare if the baby is from a disadvantaged family that can't afford that without help???

Finally, you again seem to be reading the misleading and false information diffused by biased right wing sources, because Biden is a very devout Catholic too, and there is nothing in his platform indicating support for late term abortion. If you have evidence that Biden supports abortion "up to the moment of delivery", please provide it.

Cheers.

 

I appreciate this information from you and I have heard this and opinions to the contrary. Both from the scientific community. They sort of cancel eachother out. I do believe China knowingly allowed the virus to spread to keep us all on similarly equal economic footings. For that, I want compensation. Biden is afraid to speak in those terms. After all, he has been for giving them favored Nation status from the beginning.

I am a Bible based Christian. The study of it and nothing else has led to my faith. I do listen to others of course because the Holy Spirit is our teacher. Iron sharpens Iron. We don't impose our beliefs (even religious) and moral views on others? What are laws anyway? Moral views and beliefs? Are just Christians and those that hold to faith guilty of "imposing" their beliefs on others?
As far as Biden goes.....I know Catholic theology holds true to the fact "life begins at conception". My Bible viewpoint would say that is true. We agree on so much. So both Biden and Pelosi claim to be people of faith, yet they depart blatantly in this one area. So what faith do they indeed hold to? I do know it is the practice of a great many to join a Church or religious organization to win "political favor" or appear "Holy".. When they depart from their stated faith.....I hold that in question. Biden is running for political office, not Supreme Court. Trump I choose as our National Leader.....he is not running for "Pastor".(He would not get my vote there.) Biden and Harris will impose their moral views (or lack thereof) on us if elected. Don't pretend they won't.

 

What sort of bible inspired behavior do you see in Trump? Do you believe he is religious?

 

Actually, the 'balance of power' between the three branches has been dying by increments since the mid seventies because Congress has been more than happy to cede its share of power to both the courts and the executive simply because to assert its authority and wield its share, its members have to take a series of tough votes back home.

 

I don't believe Trump is religious. Neither am I. Religion is man's effort to reach God by obeying a list of "works". I see that as futile. None of us can do it. Christians accept the idea God wants to reach us and will do good works through us. For that to happen we must "believe" in His provision.

It is my belief Trump has not developed yet some of the good works we all aspire to. In some areas he is a "spiritual infant". (aren't we all?) In other areas I feel faith has begun a good work in him. His unaltering view if religious freedom, and defense of life would be evidence of that. Most importantly.....I see in Trump a desire to preserve "individual liberty" for us all. Government is a sleeping monster that wants control over all of us. The Founders knew that. So do you believe "packing the court" is a good idea?

Some believe their idea of "religion" as you put it is for Government to confiscate $$ so everyone is equal. How is their individual choice and liberty in that? My belief is that is the liberty and job of the individual. Blessing comes to those who give out of their own heart.....not at the ultimate point of a gun taken by the IRS.

 

Please post the scientific papers showing that this virus is man-made.

Fine. You're entitled to your views on this. Like I said, my wife and I feel differently. You say "what are laws anyway?" We believe in separation of Church and State which is what founded our country. I don't see a place for laws regulating religion.