Polygamy

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by 4Horsemen, May 15, 2012.

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Is Polygamy wrong?

  1. Yes, it's wrong

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  2. No, it's quite alright

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  3. Neither for nor against it

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    38.8%
  1. 4Horsemen

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    But I'm asking YOU, do you think it could in fact be promoted as a healthy lifestyle as the Gay lifestyle proclaims?
     
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    So Muslims can make the decision to do a Suicide Bomb Jihad in the name of Allah and kill hundreds at a time, but can't seem to discuss the Polygamy of Islam in the name of Allah?

    Interesting indeed.
     
  3. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You look at the world as I do, as to who runs it. You know (*)(*)(*)(*) well polygamy is from religious tradition where homosexuality is of an anti-religious platform. The 2 will never be pushed equally by the status quo. Even if the two are criminalized in the same manner and logic to the free thinker.
     
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    I set a trap and you steal my thunder?...shame on you for that one..LOL...

    good point though.
     
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    I stated that whether or not the relationship is healthy depends on the individuals involved. People make marriages healthy, not the other way around.

    I am not sure what you mean by the gay lifestyle or homosexuality being promoted as healthy either. Being homosexual means you are sexually attracted to the same gender you are yourself. I do not how healthy or unhealthy can be attributed to it. Homosexuals can engage in healthy or unhealthy activities just like heterosexuals.
     
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    So do you have an opinion or not? can it be promoted in a good light? yes or no?


    We all know that Gays promote their lifestyle and free, charming, upbeat and worth exploring. let's not act like they don't.
     
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    Yes a polygamous marriage can be healthy in my opinion, however, that does not equate to all polygamous marriages being healthy.

    I will, because the statement is silly. People are individuals and their is only one trait homosexuals have in common and that is they are sexually attracted to their own gender. They are no more prone to being charming and upbeat than heterosexuals. If you end up exploring that is on you, homosexuals didn't trick into it. I don't need to make out with a girl to know that is not for me, and I certainly could not be convinced by anyone but myself to try it out.
     
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    I didn't say anything about all, just in general.



    Webster's would disagree with you:

    Definition of GAY
    1a : happily excited : merry <in a gay mood> b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits <a bird's gay spring song>
    2a : bright, lively <gay sunny meadows> b : brilliant in color
    3: given to social pleasures; also : licentious
    4a : homosexual <gay men> b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals <the gay rights movement> <a gay bar>
    — gay adverb



    So the Gay lifestyle is definitely promoted as something wholesome and positive.
     
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    I don't believe homosexuals coined themselves gay. I would think the word was applied initially to flamboyant and feminine male homosexuals. Because they were easily collared for being such when most hid their homosexuality it was wrongly assumed to apply to all homosexual men. Today the word is widely used for homosexuals both male and female. I use it myself, but mostly not say someone is homosexual but to describe something as being cheesy or overtly feminine. Words can be fluid with their meanings and changed through time and slang use.

    Either way I think you are confusing promoting that there is nothing wrong with being homosexual to it is better to be homosexual, which is just silly.
     
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    In Islam, there is no such thing as common nor upperclass, we are all equal in that regard. You and others need to stop thinking that "Arab" culture is Islamic culture. Also, you need to stop confusing Arab and Muslim being that they are not synonymous with each other. Sure some Muslims are Arabs but not all Arabs are Muslim, neither are all Muslims Arab.
     
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    Thank you. That's a start. So is polygamy an Arab tradition or Muslim tradition?
     
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    Suicide bombing? The last time I checked, no Muslim has ever committed such an act being that such acts are against Islamic law, culture and procedure.
     
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    Polygamy dates to Hebrew Scripture... so who knows when it started..
     
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    So is it a power thing, a money thing? Not all Arab men take several brides, right? Is it a certain tribe thing? I'm just curious.
     
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    As I understand it in Arabia... most babies died.. and infant girls were often "exposed".

    Life was very very harsh.. and a female had no chance of survival unless she had the protection of belonging to a family and clan.

    So Muhammed taught.. do not expose your babies and each of you take another wife or widow and provide for her.

    It was probably the same among the ancient Jews.

    All of Muhammed's wives were older widows except Aisha.. and he didn't have children with her.

    I think all his children were born to his first wife, Kadisha.
     
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    Yes. Suicide pacts are illegal, businesses offer discounts to seniors, Playboy hires only women models -- and I'm ok with that. Discrimination isn't a bad word. We discriminate between folks based on their race, religion, sex, age, and even actions all the time. It's mostly legal and acceptable.

    The problem is we share certain resources. American citizens own this nation in partnership, all it's resources and institutions. Our constitution allows the laws and practices of this nation to discriminate between the joint owners -- when that discrimination is necessary and minimal. In your private life or private business, do as you please. But when it comes to the things we all own together, you need a darn good reason for not giving the equal citizens of America equal use of them.

    We discriminate against blind drivers, underage drinkers, and the insane -- suspending their rights as needed. But there are reasons for those suspensions and we minimize their scope. You or I can argue about whether it's really necessary to deny a drivers license to a blind man, but we at least understand the argument. Next year we might come out with robotic cars and that reason will no longer exist, the laws will change.

    With marriage we have many restrictions. We deny children the right marry, we limit the size of a marriage, and we deny same sex couples the right to marry.

    Each of those restrictions can and should stand or fall on the merits of why it is necessary to suspend those rights. Right now we're talking about that last restriction and the simple fact is -- no one can even offer a reason why it's necessary to deny that right.​
     
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    That's the same as to the origins of the teaching of the LDS church. Too many men died on the trail west. Plus you had the civil war that killed a bunch.

    But I just meant today. Is it common, or just men of influence? Fundamentalist Mormons today it's basically a hierarchical thing. Young men are often pushed out of the communities by the older men with influence wanting all the wives.
     
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    The last time I was in Arabia and talked with 30 something young men who were getting married, they were opting for fewer wives and small families...

    I think with healthcare and prosperity families tend to get smaller.

    But, that's opinion.

    Saudi wives get the write the marriage contract.. they can't put in the K.. NO additional wives.
     
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    So do the women outnumber the men drastically?
     
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    Good question.. I don't know the answer.. I know that divorce rates are about 50%.
     
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    Polygamy is a conditionally accepted rule. Before you ask, it is for battle or when a friend of yours dies and has a wife, we are allowed to take his and her burden on as our own. Now, as to the prophets and messengers of Allah, they are commanded to have up to nine(9) wives. The reasoning behind this is so that a good seed is laid firm which is an offset to the evils and the reproduced evil of the people of this world.

    The above is another aspect of the conditional rule.
     
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    Nine wives? I thought it was four.

    Before 1950 laying the "good seed " was not enough.. Most babies died before their first birthday... blindness, malaria and polio were the rule.
     
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    It is nine (9) to match the "solar system". There are nine (9) planets that revolve around the Sun, so it is with the Prophets and Messengers of Allah.

    *give this some serious thought and maybe you will comprehend the meaning (smile).
     
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    bad time to bring up that the 2 outermost planets aren't visable without optics? and Pluto is no longer a planet?

    now that we have 8 planets and 5 dwarf planets, what's the official story?
     
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    Platoon or what you call Pluto is and always will be a planet. Neither you nor those whom you listen pulled it out of the Sun so it could form into a P-L-A-N-E-T so you do not have the right to name it nor recategorize/recharacterize it, Platoon is still a planet regardless to what your so-called scientists utter. Why do you and yours always have a need to attempt to remake or recreate what Allah has set into motion? You really need to meditate on this and maybe you will leave creation as it was when it was established.
     

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