Pope Says No Christian Can Make or Invest in Guns

HIs Holiness and his Swiss Guards should contract with IMI. The Israelis probably don't give a damn about being told they aren't Christians. And the stuff they make is top flight.

 

There are also numerous verses that advocate pacifism.

The Bible contradicts itself over 400 times, there is little reason to look to it for consistency or guidance.

 

The Poop, as usual, is the biggest Hippo in the pond......

Surrounded by armed guards while calling for disarmament......Jezus H Christie!

Next, he'll tell you rich is B A D. <while he, Vacatan City and his lil' Poopers are worth billions>
Dam, I hate religious and religion.

 

You must be quite the horticultarist of cannabis ruderalis. By the same token I should be able to leave my home everyday without locking the front door.

I am curious where in scripture the idea is found that I should not attempt to protect myself.

 

The Pope didn't declare this ex cathedra, so Catholics (and everybody else of course) can disagree with him. I do. Weapons can be used for good as well as evil. The funny thing to me is in this same speech he talks about how the Allies should have bombed the railroad tracks going into the concentration camps. My question to him would be, are those bomb makers "unChristian" as well.

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Totally disagree. As St. Augustine said "Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as though everything depended on you." I consider owning a gun as depending on me.

 

Which is completely indistinguishable from from "there is probably no one looking out for us, so let's handle things ourselves".

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No weed for me, I like owning guns without the prospect of having them all confiscated for lieing on a Form 4473.

Matthew 5:38-45

 

I would take your concerns to the religious forum, if you want to remain pure to the original post and topic.

However, not to dodge, God's will is beyond comprehension---certainly mine. For whatever reason, He used the Roman empire with the first good use of roads and communication to spread Christianity. Why He used some people more than others in certain parts of the world is also unknown. Christianity is now being spread to every "corner" of the planet. Those who hear the word and reject it are certainly lost.

I try not to think in two-dimensional, ethocentric ways. I try not to think the Bible and prophecies relate mostly to me, the white guy living in 21st Cent. America. I try to think of the goat herder in Mongolia, the rice farmer in Burma and everyone else over the last 2,000 years. How God deals with good people who have not heard the gospel in the end I would hope not be so harsh.

The protective hand of God has allowed all kinds of bad events over the last 2,000 to happen to his own people (Chrisitans). The Mongol invasion, then the Islamics who took over all of Christian North Africa and only just stopped in France and outside Vienna. These were big deals.

Then you ask about the Holocaust as part of God's plan. Well, for one thing, the current "Jewish people" are from Eastern Europe and probably not much more genetically different than from the real Jews of the Bible than I am.
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/...rael/the-only-ancient-jewish-hair-ever-found/

You, like the Pope, may think of the Holocaust as THE central event in human history. I don't. From my research over the years, there is compelling evidence that shows maybe up to 300K died in the camps of all causes instead of the 6M figure that is viewed as more holy and sacred than the 10 Commandments. There were over 50M---50 million people who died during WW2, and millions more as a direct result of conflict after the war. There were 1M killed in the battle of Stalingrad alone. The Japs lost 2.35M and the Chinese lost 10M in WW2. So looking at the big picture, 300K was just one of the smaller tragedies of the war.

I could go on and on about the horrors of communism that are most similar to Mogols and Islamic territorialists. 12M died in the Ukranian Holodomor. 20M people at a time were enslaved by the Gulag and Soviet penal system. 40M died during Mao's "Great Leap Forward" program just 50 years ago. Pol Pot, add another 2M. Remember, Godless atheists did this.

I think the reason why God chose Western people to spread the gospel to the world is because overall, they were the most righteous, and had the techological capacity to do it. Call it favoritism.

 

I'm not quite clear on the gun and bomb makers who, according to the Pope, are cursed. I would have to have the understanding of time in accordance to when a bomb or gun maker first became evil. Using the Pope's biased view, I would guess all the bomb and gun makers from WW1 were safe, and the millions who died as a result of their work were of no great significance. As I asked in the thread, I don't know if gun workers for Sig, Glock or HK are saved or not for making the Pope's guns.

Now if you were were a gun or bomb maker for the Axis, or at Germans during WW2, then you were damned to hell. But if you were an Allied gun or bomb maker you were blessed. If your Allied bombs killed a couple of hundred thousand at Dresden or Tokyo---then good for you. The allies did in fact bomb every railway track and train they could find. Allied pilots didn't care if the cars were filled with civilians, war material, food, medical supplies,Jews, POWs or anything else. In fact the Allied flattened any area with a large railway station in Germany in order to kill as many people and trains as possible. The Pope should apologize to the world for saying the Allies didn't do enough bombing.

 

The Pope, like every other rich politician, has his own personal armed bodyguards.

If they want to start getting rid of weapons, demand they disarm all criminals first, then their bodyguards, then the police.

Then we can have further discussion on the matter.

 

Yup. Just another anti-gun hypocrite protected by a battalion of armed goons payed for by those he wishes to disarm.

 

The pope is not welcome in my house. I'd like to be the first to invite him to stay out of Texas.