Portland protests Aug. 17: What you need to know

Webster is a dictionary- correct?

I thought you claimed it's the best way to go in most circumstances. Is this one of those "exceptions" because it goes against your agenda?

 

No exception... Obama meets one of the definitions of black in Websters, and all commonly used dictionaries...

I'm sure you have a point, but are working REAL hard not to make it...

Go for it...

 

Borrow that sentiment from '60s KKK or '30s Nazis?

 

So you're saying- before we cite the criteria for "black" from Webster- that by definition he is black?

Before I embarrass you- you should google his mother.

 

There sure were a of "right" there. Antifa = cowards and losers with no organization.

 

Barack Obama is black. Yes.

 

Can you cite how he is more black than white? You didn't provide sources for your claim.

 

Those are great questions. I'm a firm believer in testing statements against reality and where they fail, they fail. Babylon Bee is great satire site, and Snopes doesn't like the Left being poked fun of, so they have taken to "fact-checking" their satire and deeming it "unhelpful" which is the hook that Facebook and Twitter has used in the past to block things that the Left doesn't like.

That's what prompted the post.

But, glad you enjoyed it!

 

He is considered black. I didn't claim a percent vs other ethnicities. He just is.

 

How is he not white if he's just as much white as he is black? This is why I asked you to cite your claims. Can you please provide sources that cite he's more black than he is white? As you said, he's "black". Which isn't possible because he's just as white as he is black.

Thanks in advance for you deciding to cite your sources that verify your outrageous claims.

 

This is so obviously the right thing to do -- as opposed to the 'terrorism' route which will make them martyrs with the custard-head soft left and drag through the courts for ten years as we argue about definitions -- that I don't see why Trump doesn't simply propose it immediately. It will put the Democrats or their Far Left/crazy wing, on the spot. It will immediately cut the attendance at their demonstrations by 90% I would be willing to bet.

It's not easy to decide who is committing a felony by 'rioting', but wearing a mask is binary -- you're either doing it or not. If police refuse to enforce an anti-mask law, they will be on the spot right away. The law has long precedent. It would be easy to pass.

Before going the 'terrorist' route, read about the Communist Control Act of 1954, proposed by the most far left Democrat in the Senate, Hubert Humphrey, essentially a Scandanavian Social Democrat. Very draconian, it effectively outlawed the Communist Party. Made everyone feel good, secured Humphrey's right flank from Nixon-style accusations of being soft on communism .. and accomplished exactly nothing. It's still on the books ... never worth trying to carry out, never challenged in the Supreme Court.

A ridiculous law that actually aided the Communists because they could now, in the Third World and elsewhere, say "See ... it's true we outlaw capitalist/fascist parties in the countries where the workers rule, but so do they outlaw us where they rule." And they had a point. (Its use is just slightly more complicated than I have presented it here ... see the Wiki article to which I linked for details.)

Trials of Anti-Fa for the abstract crime of being 'terrorists' will generate huge publicity for them, give them great credibility, and will accomplish nothing. See the trial of the Chicago Seven fifty years ago for the closest example of what to expect. It became political theatre and was the best radicalizing tool the Left had. The government looked like not just persecutors, but ridiculous old fools as well, mocked and derided by the defendents.

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Right now, AntiFa are not the unanimously-approved heroes of those who are left of center. Most Americans on both sides of the political spectrum do not want violence in the streets, and will react strongly against those who are seen to promote it.

You can see this from the reaction of many liberals and centrists on this forum.

If AntiFa are designated as a terrorist group, this will change. They will become martyrs. Any indictments will drag through the courts. There will be challenges of fact -- who was actually at a particular riot, who participated in the violence, who was just standing on the fringes, who was provoked. There will be speeches from the dock,

Designating them as a terrorist group will be an enormous victory for them. I can't think of anything else that will help to turn them into national heroes, welcome on every campus, millions of dollars flowing into their coffers, songs written, mass rallies held in their defense. The mass media will go wild, making them into heroes.

It is the stupidest idea imaginable. In war you try to attack at the place where your enemy's forces join -- you try to split them. We must split the hard left from the rest.

My wife has gotten used to me smashing my fist on the table where the computer is, frustrated at the absolute stupidity of our incompetent leaders and their total inability to understand how to wage political warfare.. Total complete incapacity. Our so-called leaders are pigheaded stubborn fools, walking right into the AntiFa minefield.

Where is the conservative Lenin?

 

You keep using that word. He isn't considered less black, he "is" black. You can call him white if you want, just most people would consider you silly.

 

You have not cited anything. According to his DNA (which is more reputable than your word) he is just as white as he is black.

Which ALSO contradicts the user I was responding to earlier.

I appreciate you doing so.

 

No one has to call him white or black, he's a mix of both. He's not any more black than he is white. He's both. Nothing wrong with being white and black- even though it hurts you to the core.

 

He is black. He is white. You cannot say that he isn't black.

 

So he's black and he's white- but he's more black? Make up your mind!

You said "he's considered black". But his DNA disagrees with you, as his mother is white, and only his father is black.

That means, he's no more white than he is black. Which by DEFINITION (and I cap'd that because you responded to a post that was in regards to DEFINITIONS) he is not the first black president.

Stop whining. There will be a black President one day.

 

I've just discovered Babylon Bee -- wonderful. I'm going to post some of their cartoons on an atheist site -- theoretically it should be open to all non-believers including conservatives like me but in practice it's dominated by hysterical leftists. No sense of humor, terrible case of Irony Deficiency Anemia, so easy to wind up. Great fun, and I look forward to stinging them with the Bee.

Didn't know about 'unhelpful'. I wonder if anyone has done a systematic study of Snopes. They're a great idea, but they should hire a couple of conservatives so that their intuitive liberalism doesn't distort their work.

 

If you are going by DNA, then no one is white and no one is black. But people who refer to people as white or black don't go by that standard.

Obama was the first black president. Stop whining, it already happened.

 

In bold- doesn't make sense. Of course we go by DNA. Are black people African Americans or are they just a color?

Be careful how you respond- I have some quotes from Rev. Sharpton to contradict your deflections. Always a pleasure citing these.

 

Here the often-obscurantist term 'socially-constructed' will be useful.

In the US, someone who is half-and-half is considered -- socially-constructed as --'Black' by almost everyone, although a lot of people, especially Black people do make finer distinctions -- 'degrees' of Blackness, which is not just a question of pigmentation but of behavior and identification with other Blacks.

Go to a 'Pigmentocracy' like Brazil, where there is a wide spectrum of skin color and facial features, and it's different. It's not the case that they are 'color-blind' or 'non-racist' down there, it's just that the social construction is different (and much more sophisticated). The light-skinned rule in all Latin American countries where the Spanish conquerors did not bring their own women, but made use of the indigenous people. (Part of Cesar Chavez's appeal in Venezuela was due to his being like the ordinary people, as opposed to the dominant elite, in skin tone and facial features.)

 

Websters - Black - A negro; a person whose skin is of a black color, or shaded with black; esp. a member or descendant of certain African races.

Now... can we FINALLY get into where he was born??? I know that excites the crap out of everybody....

 

They are REALLY going to go off the reservation if our Native American Senator is elected President.....

 

Yikes ... I immediately went to Amazon (UK) and ordered that book, but while I was there, I was offered this one:

Which I assume is either a parody, or some kind of postmodernist mind-F*** ... or maybe it's for real????
I know they're going more and more crazy, but surely they have not come out against logic, facts and reason
as such ... de facto but not de jure ... anyone know more about these people -- I think they're a comedy team...
I mean an intentional comedy team, not like the DNC.

 

I was at a similar thing in DC a dozen or so years ago and Steyn was just tremendous. Just a stream of consciousness that was both profound and funny, and his jokes seem to amuse him as much as his audience. A completely unpretentious guy and I'm looking forward to it very much. You may mention to your wife that John O'Sullivan, an advisor to Margaret Thatcher, will be there also. He wrote a terrific book called The President, the Pope and The Prime Minister and was also in DC...It's the Mediterranean next year.

 

O'Sullivan, eh? Doesn't he write for National Review nowadays?
The Med? Hmmm... maybe if I start now ... I might convince her to go. Or maybe just ambush her with it. I got her to go to Burning Man 20 years ago that way. Didn't tell her where we were heading, we just turned up (in our VW camper). But she loved it. Off to knit up the ravelled sleeve of care now.