Portland shooting leaves 1 dead as pro-Trump group clashes with BLM

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  1. dairyair

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    I gave a definition of objective. Read it. To prevent future misunderstandings.

    I have not said anything about 2+2=4 as not being objective.
    Math is one of the few objective truths in the world.
     
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    I objectively proved that wrong on the concept of objectivity despite the fallacious definition you provided that was applied incorrectly.

    it’s ok to be wrong. Just do the research ahead of time next time.
     
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    You proved the definition wrong? LOL. No you did not.
     
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    I proved the manner in which you applied it was wrong. That happened regardless of how you choose to “feel” about it. I’m the future just do the research first and then would be no issue.

    it’s ok to be wrong dairy.
     
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    The concept of truth even in math is philosophical. So again, the concept of objectivity proved you wrong. You don’t need to agree on it for it to be objective. It’s objectively true regardless of people’s differing opinion
     
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    Show a philosophical proof.
    Mathematics has proofs.

    A mathematical proof is an inferential argument for a mathematical statement, showing that the stated assumptions logically guarantee the conclusion. The argument may use other previously established statements, such as theorems; but every proof can, in principle, be constructed using only certain basic or original assumptions known as axioms,[2][3][4] along with the accepted rules of inference. Proofs are examples of exhaustive deductive reasoning which establish logical certainty, to be distinguished from empirical arguments or non-exhaustive inductive reasoning which establish "reasonable expectation". Presenting many cases in which the statement holds is not enough for a proof, which must demonstrate that the statement is true in all possible cases.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
     
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    The entire point of objective truth, and my point, is that it doesn’t matter if you choose to agree that 2 plus 2 equals 4. It being an objective truth exists even if you decide to believe that it does not equal 4. Again, its the idea that 2 plus 2 equals 4 and this is true outside of someone’s subjective opinion. The concept of truth, is philosophical regardless if its the truth of math, or truth outside of math. Truth is inherently philosophical in nature.

    So once again, I demonstrated that the fundamental understanding of objective truth you previously had was incorrect. It doesn’t matter if you agree with something or not, it can be true regardless if you agree or not. In the future I suggest you do the research first to avoid all of this confusion.

    Either way, objective truth doesn’t require everyone to agree. That was false. There is plenty of things that are happening that can be demonstrated as true that people still disagree with. That just makes them wrong, that doesn’t mean they have “their truth” lmao. Objective truth exists, outside of peoples perspectives and opinions.
     
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    I posted the definition of objective. I can't help if you don't understand the definition.
     
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    I understand it perfectly, your application of that definition is where you are lacking. Because that doesn’t at all refute the concept of objectivity, and objective truth existing beyond peoples opinions or perceptions of that truth.

    I suggest you do more research on the topic, to avoid further confusion.
     
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    Luxury cars, MAGA flags and Facebook invites: How an unknown Idaho family organized the Portland rally that turned deadly.

    It turns out that the armed "rally" organizer of the Portland on Aug 29 is Republican 33 year old, Alex Kuzmenko from Boise, Idaho, and then moved to Portland, in which Aaron “Jay” Danielson, 39, a participant of the far-right group Patriot Prayer was shot while attacking a Portland protester. Kuzmenko and his relatives organized the armed caravan by using online accounts that did not reveal their full names.

    Alex appeared out of nowhere and immediately began to organize Trump-rallies to show up at the Portland protests. A Washington Post investigation discovered that "Alex Kuzmenko and most of the other rally organizers are members of an extended family that came to the United States in 1993 from near Chernobyl, Ukraine, multiple family members said. Alex Kuzmenko’s mother, Lyubov, said she is originally from Belarus."

    In other words, Alex and his group are primarily from the UKRAINE--another country the us overthrew with US financed "color" revolutions that welcome Nazis--not Neo-Nazis--but Nazis. Now that people are asking questions, Alex suddenly doesn't want to talk.
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