Post-history...does this exist?

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  1. ronmatt

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    When will science discover that, the egg is not the chickens method or procreating. But rather, the chicken is the eggs way of procreating.
     
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    Technically there is no distance in the sense of motion for an observer moving at the speed of light, we could imagine that from the perspective of a photon the universe becomes a 2D flat ring [so it's difficult to imagine what a photon could "see"].

    But the photons move. In factual reality [our system of reference] they move.

    We could say that it's "subjective" [for the photon] that there is no distance and so no motion.
     
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    Consider on average a human living on Earth dies at 75 years old (75 Earth orbits). The same human living their life on Saturn will die in 75 Earth years but it will only be 2.5 Saturn years (one Saturn orbit = 29.5 Earth years). The same human living their life on Jupiter will also die in 75 Earth years but it will be 6.3 Jupiter years (one Jupiter orbit = 11.86 Earth years). If we ignore the location of the human, and we assume the human will live the equivalent of 75 Earth years, and the human was tasked from the day they were born to start counting; 1, 2, 3, 4... until the day they die, let's pretend they counted to 2,365,200,000. We can call this a time system of 'counts' and this person lived for 2,365,200,000 counts. Now...if we locate this same human on Saturn or Jupiter, and they start counting from birth, they will die at 2,365,200,000 counts even though 'relative' to orbital rotations of Saturn and Jupiter they would die at 2.5 years and 6.3 years. I'm thinking in this example regarding this human, from a macro-Universe perspective, that there was a 'block of time' representing their life, and no matter where this human was located, the 'block of time' was the same...2,365,200,000 counts. Whether this human was living on Jupiter or traveling through space, or in another galaxy 6 light years from Earth, their life would last the same 2,365,200,000 counts.
     
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    Yes, but there is a biological problem, not related to the duration of life [we can state a time standard units and use it to measure the life of a person or any other event].

    A planet like Saturn [if you don't live too near to its surface because of magnetism and a measurable excess of gravity] is a "friendly" planet from this perspective. The distance from the sun would suggest humans to build orbiting stations with terrestrial gravity and terrestrial alternation of day and night.

    The problem would come on an extrasolar earth like planet with a day of 28 hours. On such a planet humans would live outdoor and in house with windows ... this would mean that the pace of alternation day - night would affect our biological cycles [overall the circadian rhythm / cycle].

    Now, military training can allow you to sleep 1/2 hour every 6 hours without great problems, but you have anyway to disengage yourself from the environment. Civilians building a colony on an other planet will not have such a possibility. That will be their home. And time would force them to change the circadian rhythm. With which effects? All to be discovered.
     
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    Well, there must be something in between all the visible masses/energy in the Universe, something more than just gravity and vacuum. Dark energy is the force causing the expansion. All above my pay grade.

    I don't think it's possible to have a 2-dimensional world but some smart people here will know?
     
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    Too much detail...just talking about one human, today, whether they are on Earth or Jupiter or in a spacecraft or 10 billion light years away, place that human in any scenario, and they will live to be 2,365,200,000 counts old. Yet all of them would have different time systems, different numeric values for the same 2,365,200,000 counts. Yes over longer periods of time the human would adopt a new environment and adjust accordingly. I'm looking at that 'block of time' counts as being identical using the 'counting time system' yet all different using local time systems.

    For example, if there was a human on Voyager I, and today they are just leaving our Solar system, in order to document the event, what 'date' and 'time' would they state? If they are talking to Earth, then they can use Earth time. If they are talking to Jupiter, then Earth time won't make any sense. This is my problem...how can we state 'time' so that everyone understands that time?
     

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