Practical discussion: gun storage

Yeah because overall homicides and violent crime don't matter.

 

Alaska has the highest gun death rate in the country...and thus my point.

 

Thank you for your opinion

 

If you can have high gun ownership and low gun deaths then guns aren't the problem.

Thanks for finally coming to grips with it.

 

Yes. And the only place that exists are places with strict gun control. Shall I name them for you? The US is not even close to making the list.

 

Yeah except that's not true.

Those European countries you're talking about had the same homicide rates 100 years ago before any gun control laws.

 

First I don't see any evidence that homicide rates were even collected 100 years ago. But we know what works today.

You can not name a large city, state or country with low gun deaths that does not have strict gun control.

 

I am confused, but I'm right to be confused. The data interpretation by CNN doesn't make sense.

(all in rates of per million people, using data from the "Gun homicides are 25.2 times higher in the U.S. than in other high income countries."

The U.S. is at 36.
Let's look at Canada, which is at 5. 36/5= 7.2. We have 7.2 times the gun homicides of Canada (and Portugal)
Now, let's go down the list of homicide rates:
Ireland at 4. 36/4=9 (less than 25x)
Finland, Belgium, Italy at 3. 36/3=12 (less than 25x)
Austria, France, Sweden, Denmark, Slovakia, New Zealand, Australia, Netherlands at 2. 36/2=18 (less than 25x)
14 countries have less than 25 times.

Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Spain at 1. 36/1 = 36 (more than 25x)
South Korea, Japan, UK, Norway at 0. unsolvable, but more than 25 x.
8 have more.

The math for 25.2x doesn't exist.

Please show me where they did the math? I don't buy it, and I've got Ph.D. level stats skills (I passed my research and stats qualifying exam for a Ph.D.). Their data makes no sense. I think it was made up by a reporter who is mathematically illiterate.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html

 

Have at it

Grinshteyn, Erin; Hemenway, David (March 2016). "Violent Death Rates: The US Compared with Other High-income OECD Countries, 2010". The American Journal of Medicine. 129 (3): 266–273. doi:10.1016/j.amjmed.2015.10.025. PMID 26551975. (Table 4). (PDF).

 

I can name countries with strict gun control that have high gun deaths, though.

 

You mean like Vermont, Utah and Idaho that all have very few firearm restrictions?

 

Yes you can. But you can not name a single one with low gun deaths and lax gun control. That is pretty overwhelming evidence

 

That is funny. How did they gather homicide rates in 1300? LOL

 

Vermont Utah and Idaho do not even make the top ten in low gun deaths

 

You could always go to the source and educate yourself on something.

 

Um, 1.6, 1.8 and 1.8 homicide rates, respectively.

 

Gun deaths sir

 

And now for the annual counting of the dead in 1300....Bring out your dead!!!! LOL

 

looks like he's lumping the data together and doing a lot of rounding. I don't buy the 25.2, as he's rounding way too much. Generally stats are done to two significant figures, and he used one. 20 may be correct. Looks sloppy to me, but I don't know what the standards are in criminology. I can tell that it was hardly unbiased science.

 

I don't subscribe to your fake categories that include suicide as a gun problem.

There were 8 firearm murders in the entire state of Vermont in 2015.

 

And lots of gun suicides. We should try to prevent those thru gun control

 

Ok thanks

 

Yeah Japan and Korea really worked out the gun suicide problem. Works great there.

Your nonsense argument is the same nonsense argument you've always had. You've learned nothing from it, you just keep repeating the same nonsense.

 

Thank you for your opinion. You seem to have nothing left which is just fine. LOL

 

I don't need anything else.

Anyone who suggests that a state like Idaho with something like 50% gun ownership and 1.6 homicide rate has a problem, has no argument.

Anyone who suggests that "gun control" reduces firearm violence in a country and ignores everything BUT Europe, has no argument.

Anyone who suggests that "gun control" reduces suicides while ignoring the fact that the countries with the highest suicide rates in the world all have gun control, has no argument.

You have nothing.

Your argument would be easily dismissed by a 10 year old.