Preparing for Corona Virus

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    LOL, no it doesn't. Where do you get these ideas from?
     
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    You are making me want a range. Placement in the kitchen would be a problem. The only suitable place for wood heat source in my house now is the back porch where my stove is now. I’m not keen on remodeling but it would certainly be nice when done. My kitchen is the room farthest from the stove now so is quite cold through the winter. A range would solve that.

    What size fuel fits in the firebox? Do you have to split wood small for it?
     
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    A wood range is nice, we used ours for years. The kitchen was the oldest and coldest part of the house, insulated with old newspapers. Ours has a fairly small firebox, about 6in. diameter log is what I remember using (and smaller), we also burned lump coal, I dont think that is any longer available here locally. They are not so great in the summer when temps are over 100.
     
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    Notice how these types of viruses originate in countries with few regulations to protect citizenry?
     
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    Thanks. My house is an 1880’s model so I know what you are talking about. About half the outside walls have been insulated now but the remaining original is not insulated at all.

    Good info on fuel size. I suppose I would just have to sort out small wood for a range when cutting/stacking. I’m getting too old to split stuff that small! :)

    I don’t know if coal is available here or not. Used to be people would go down to the UP tracks and pick up coal that fell out of rail cars. Now nothing seems to falls out.

    I can only imagine cooking on one in the summer. I think I’d just eat a jar of peaches and forget the hot meal! :)
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a novel virus. Unlike sars 1 it is extremely contagious. And the people saying it is engineered are not nuts . The info coming from the controlled state of china is under reported. Yet some reports have leaked out before never being heard from again.

    When this one spreads in 3 waves you may still be in denial but hopefully by then people will ignore you People in denial risk others tthan themselves.



    This one has the hallmarks of. of an engineered bio weapon .hence the novel designation.

    The death rates will go up as it spreads to surpass any flu virus

    Plus I was told one Chinese scientist has admitted it got out of the lab

    If not scrubbed from the net you may still find that report.

    Better safe than sorry.
     
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    Definitely put it in your kitchen. You'll absolutely love having a warm place to work, and it will change the mood of the room completely. It becomes a true heart of the home. And there's just so many things you can do with a cooker which is literally on 24 hours a day, too. Put slow cooking pots on a 'cool' corner to cook throughout the day. Make up big batches of bread dough to freeze, and throw a loaf in any time you want fresh bread. Etc etc.

    Fire box sizes differ quite a bit, but I would try to get the biggest you can .. so you can keep it going overnight without feeding it. The average size is about 10" wide x 20" high x 20" deep. So kinda tall and skinny. You can feed through front opening door, or via cooktop.
     
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    Thanks. The 24 hour cooking options are appealing. We like slow cookers because it’s a way to have a meal ready when you have time to eat and have been outside all day. Would be nice to have a pot of hot cider there when you come in out of the cold, too.

    On the baking side of the equation, how hard is it to regulate and replicate baking temperatures? I suppose it’s more art than science?
     
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    Just look at the History of the NHS in the UK.
     
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    Is it broken now? I recall being over there many years ago when my grand-daughter took ill. She was just a kid. No problem....full treatment, couple of nights in-patient....totally free.
     
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    Yep, looking good, all free at the point if use. Had a health check up last week, full blood tests etc. Follow up appointment week later, and nothing to pay.

    is it perfect? no, but no heath system is.
     
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    I'm prepped up for the Coronavirus:

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    Firstly you're wrong, China is wholly controlled, nothing happens without being approved. Hence, the absence of rules protecting citizens, work environment and natural environment is by government rule.

    Yep, and without tariffs to equalize "regulatory load", we're in effect subsidizing continued environmental, public health and work place exploitation in China.
     
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    Yet, many in China walk around with masks over their faces. To help with the air pollution in their country.
    Just because the gov't has strict controls, doesn't mean they have the regulations needed to protect the air, water, land, and virus spread.

    They are working towards those goals, for they are finding out as we did in USA, we need clean air, water, land, to be able to live on this earth.
     
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    Some interesting pics of China before and now showing the impact this has had on pollution. Big difference in those pics, much less.
     
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    Which is why I don't get the deregulation that so many in this country strive for.

    Even calling for dismantling the EPA. Confuses me.
     
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    Not all regulations are beneficial, some can even be detrimental to the desired goal. Their worth must be evaluated on a case by case basis.

    Can you honestly say you have never encountered a ridiculous regulation in your life experience?
     
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    One, there is no evidence suggesting the virus is a bio-weapon. Not a single reputable scientific source with expertise viral diseases has suggested this. And as noted previously this claim gets raised by someone somewhere almost every time a new virus emerges in the human population.

    There has been some (little) reporting claiming that the virus may have escaped from an animal disease laboratory in China where researchers may have cross exposed animals to both SARS and Cornona. This is because the Corona virus that was been detected in the 'wild' has one and apparently only one surface protein? that is also present in SARS. Some experts have stated that this couldn't/shouldn't have happened so soon after its discovery in people because even with viruses it takes time for such a divergent mutation to occur naturally.

    That said this one apparent oddity in its structure does not appear to be off significance in how the virus acts/spreads, it just is, like a single white bird in a flock of black ones.

    Not can you asset with any authority that the death rate will go up as you have. The death toll yes, the death rate? no-one, not even the best experts in the world are making that prediction. That would only happen if it mutates in some lethal fashion which so far it has shown no sign of doing. The death rate is still somewhere around 1% and shows no sign of rising at this time. A bad flu season has a higher death rate.

    The fact remains the virus pretty much leaves children untouched - the vast majority of who seem to show little or no symptoms after testing positive for the disease. Likewise healthy adults in general at worst develop some flu like symptoms for 1 to 2 weeks. Those who do die have been the elderly and persons suffering from debilitating illnesses like diabetes, heart disease and cancer which have weakened their immune systems (and no that does not mean everyone with those conditions dies, their illness or its treatment has to have somehow compromised their immune systems first).

    There appears there might be one other class of victims who can be fit and healthy - that is people who may have previously been exposed to a virus from the same family as this strain. It is speculated that because their immune systems has already been 'primed' to attack corona viruses in some unfortunate cases it goes into overdrive when exposed to strain 19 causing an immune cascade effect in some victims - which is co-incidentally what made SARS so deadly. This would explain the deaths of some apparently fit health workers but this is still speculation at this time.

    So telling people to stay calm, adopt better hygiene standards when in pubic but otherwise go about your business normally is not sticking your head in the sand, it is just making a rational assessment of the current risk level involved vs cost of significant disruption to normal life. If the objective risk changes then and only then will I go into 'the sky is falling' mode.
     
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    Of course there are over regulations. Humans are running the show, afterall.

    But to want to dismantle the very department that was responsible for not having our lakes and rivers start on fire, you don't think that is over reacting?

    What is wrong with common sense?
     
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    If you are elderly like me limiting contact is smart and not business as usual.

    China over reacted by shutting down a city of millions? No business as usual for them.
     
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    If ya don't die first.
     
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    OK, but it’s a hell of a lot shorter wait than never going because you can’t afford it or not going because it will bankrupt you.
     
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    Health care is available to the poor and folks with no insurance, you'll just have to stand in line to get it. I know, I went 7 years with no health insurance. I went to the County Health Center for regular stuff and the County Hospital if I needed anything else.

    https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/
     
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    lol
     

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