President Obama: America 'Not Better Off' Today than Four Years Ago

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  1. rstones199

    rstones199 Well-Known Member

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    Thats good. Now we just need more people to vote like us.
     
  2. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely it could have been worse. We could be in a 1930's style depression right now.

    What I do not hear is any sensible policy ideas.

    When Obama took office>

    1) The housing market had collapsed
    2) The fiancial system was on the brink of collapse
    3) The Dow was at 6500
    4) Companies were laying off people like crazy
    5) Revenue had shrunk from 2.7 Trillion to 2.15 Trillion
    6) DOD spending had ballooned from 300 billion to 700 Billion
    7) Entitlements were massive

    This was not an easy situation.

    2.5 years later

    1) housing market still sucks
    2) Financial system is alive
    3) Dow is at 11,000
    4) Layoffs have stabilized
    5) Revenue is increasing
    6) Military spending is still way out of control
    7) Entitlements are still massive

    As a fiscal conservative I have to say I am unimpressed with much of Obama's efforts.

    That said I am also appauled with the lack of intelligent commentary from "supposed" fiscal conservatives.

    1) Obama has not racked up 4 Trillion

    As of 2010 he was at 1.6 Trillion ( a staggering amount but not 4 Trillion)
    2011 numbers should be out as fiscal year end is October, and is expected to come in around 1.4 Trillion = 3 Trillion so far.

    Comparing to Bush 2.1 Trillion first term, 4.0 Trillion Second term

    Obama will for sure surpass Bush's second term deficit but one has to consider that Bush was handed a surplus, Obama was handed a 1.4 Trillion dollar deficit, a ruined economy, ruined housing market, and bad Global economic conditions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

    This partisan bull needs to stop. Especially when it is not based in fact.

    These guys are pandering to the raging masses, who unfortunately do not know any better.

    Neither side has stood up and said what needs to be said or suggested doing what needs to be done. Doing so is just not good politics and frankly ...

    The average American "Cant handle the Truth" right now .. but they need to hear it.

    Once the truth sinks in folks will start the business of getting this country back on its feet.
     
  3. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Nah, if McCain had won, he would have had a heart attack by now, and Palin would be president.

    Then, we'd have a drill baby drill economy with a stimulus plan involving shooting moose from helicopters.
     
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    Better then what we have now!
     
  5. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Well yeah... I've always wanted to shoot a moose from a helicopter.

    Palin would have probably invaded Pakistan by now as well.
     
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    Good man. The CP doesn't understand our country's history or Constitution half as well as they pretend to, but they and the Libertarian party are pretty much the only ones that would slow us down on our path of self-destruction.

    That sounds... awesome!
     
  7. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where did I say that?
     
  8. rstones199

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    Palin would be better off than O-bum-ba? You are joking right?
     
  9. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bernie Lomax, the dead guy from the movie "A Weekend at Bernie's" would do a better job than Obama.
     
  10. Hummingbird

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    Oh for god gawd's sake :twisted:.... yeah, yeah, of course, there were 6 and why would it be necessary to cover each and every one of them when you,, yourself was comparing just McCain to Obama!

    That's what I was doing also and you act like an arrogant, condescending ass......:twisted:
     
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    Well, we MAY have had a stimulous plan that WORKEd!
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) what would you suggest ?
    2) what was done that you think should not have been done ?
     
  13. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :-DHis brainwashed followers. They don't know which way to turn either.
     
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    :mrgreen:Yep! He put a band-aid on a flat tire. The only thing is he doesn't know how to change a tire. Even his admin. doesn't.
     
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    :ignore:Heah dude you better save those lilly flowers for food. By that time Obama is going to have it we can't afford food anymore.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The market hit 6500 on March 6. One month and a two weeks after Obama took office.

    1) As if dropping from 14,000 down to 8,100 is not significant and that using 8,000 vs 6500 (the bottom of the "trend) makes a difference to the point.

    The point being that Obama took the helm of a sinking ship.

    2) The idea that somehow the day Obama took the helm of a sinking ship he would immediately be able to turn the sinking Titanic around on a dime is pure foolishness.

    Now what other points that I made do you have trouble with ?
     
  18. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then promptly steered it right into an iceberg. 2009 overall unemployment above 9%. 2010 overall unemployment above 9%. 2011 overall unemployment above 9% so far and it isn't looking any better for 2012 after raising the national $4 trillion dollars in less than 3 years.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The unemployment stat for 2009 was already in the bag before Obama took office. I wish Conservatives would stop making this claim because it makes us look stupid.

    The Dow had plummited from 14,000 to 6500.
    The housing marke had collapsed.
    The financial system was in shock and on the verge of collapse.

    The decisions to lay folks off and freeze hiring occurred well before Obama stepped into office.

    Your point about 4 trillion is also incorrect. It is 3 trillion in two years.

    Obama's budgets are from October 2009 to October 2011 = 2 years.
     

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