President Trump Files in Court to Intervene in Michael Cohen FBI Raid Case

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Who cares about a poorly written fictional novel?
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to the 4th amendment and the privacy laws surrounding it a search warrant must be issued for specific items like Trump collisions with Russia and any use of campaign funds to pay off Daniels. If they find anything else it would be inadmissible in court.
     
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    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really?
     
  4. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No such thing. Once seen, never unseen. You know this, you're an attorney, right?

    A special master might get close to protecting privilege but even that isn't perfect.
     
  5. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
  6. MrTLegal

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    There is no such thing as a taint team?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Yup!
     
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    It's pretty much the excuse they started with, and the only one they have left (other than blaming Obama).
     
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    Trump did everything to prevent its publication.

    So he care.

    But I will believe you if you tell me that the President is wasting his time dealing with a futile thing.
     
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    And what is the probable cause? What crime involves Hannity? Again you hear this morning a lawyer you once used for a sticky situation gets put under investigation for possible criminal union dealings, nothing to do with you and you think your local police should be able to go through your communications with him?
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    So now y'all are engaged in total conjecture and speculation is if it were fact.
     
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    It’s a pretty good one. Equal treatment under the law, and all that jazz. What we are seeing now is certainly not that.
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    And that was the article which probably would not have passed because he was not indicted for obstruction if jusitice and as you said he resigned before the impeachment vote let alone removal vote. But since we had Clinton who WAS impeached and there WAS a vote and the Senate vote was obstruction of justice was not grounds for removal.
     
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    Clinton was impeached over a BJ and lying about a BJ does not amount to obstruction of justice warranting removal from office.

    Nixon FIRED his AG and the ISP in order to stop an investigation into criminal acts.

    Your BLOTUS fired Comey in order to stop an investigation into criminal acts.

    That you don't recognize the STARK DIFFERENCE between what Clinton did as opposed to what Nixon and your BLOTUS did is not my problem.
     
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    What if Michael Cohen is actually a Mossad agent with humungous dirt piles on Trump, Hannity and others?
     
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    That's a very likely scenario. Hannity, like Nunes, is probably just another butt boy for Trump?
     
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    Probable cause for what?? Was Hannity arrested?
    And no your local police shouldn’t, but that obviously a straw man since that isn’t what we are talking about here. Funny, you don’t trust the fbi to do this yet you wanted the dnc to turn over their server to them? Lol
     
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    A circus with an honest clown is better than a house full of criminals.
     
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    They are on one side of the fence one day, and the other side the next. The selective outrage is too obvious.
     
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    Reasons for the Trumpflake meltdowns here:

    1. The judge has already indicated Trump's request won't be honored. She's only indicated a willingness to consider appointing an independent Taint Team, and has asked both parties for names of people who could do the job. That does nothing to help Trump, as she wouldn't allow any treasonous party hacks to be in such a position. All Trump managed here was a short delay.

    2. The Cohen investigation isn't part of Mueller's investigation, so shutting down Mueller would have no effect on it. There's nothing Trump can do to stop it, short of getting himself declared absolute dictator. While all of Trump's authoritarian-followers on this thread would be thrilled to see that, loyal Americans wouldn't allow it.

    3. This is happening in NY. The NY State Attorney General is no doubt in the loop, and will be one of the people filing charges. Trump can't pardon state crimes. Not for himself. Not for his corrupt criminal cronies, so they'll be forced to sing to make a deal.

    4. Everyone is laughing hard at Hannity and FOX. Any reputable network would instantly fire an anchor who was so nakedly corrupt, for the sake of their reputation. FOX won't. Their Stalinist base would revolt if FOX stopped being Stalinist.

    5. Hannity announced he never hired Cohen, meaning Hannity announced there is no attorney-client privilege between them. Unless there's a formal pro bono agreement, someone is not your attorney unless you're paying them. Casual conversation with an attorney, which is what Hannity stated was all that happened, does not create attorney-client privilege.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Who composes this team?

    It fails from the start.
     
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    Cohen: “The government argued that since Cohen doesn’t have ‘a lot’ of clients there should be no privilege. WUT? Is there some heretofore unknown threshold before attorney-client privilege kicks in? What kind of precedent does this set?”

    I think we’re entitled to know the names of which “journalists” Fusion GPS had on its payroll. But weirdly, that hasn’t been released. Confidentiality and privacy, ya know.
     
  24. mamooth

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    No, that's a crazy claim from a conspiracy blogger. And you fell for it.

    We in the reason-based community have different standards. Instead of parroting conspiracy blogs, we go to more direct sources.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/13/michael-cohen-hearing-fbi-raid-522053
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    Prosecutors argued that Cohen’s limited number of clients suggests that many of the records seized Monday, including information from a safe-deposit box, are unlikely to contain attorney-client communications. The government lawyers contend this distinguishes Cohen’s situation from another in New York in 2002, in which a judge did require a court-appointed special master to sift through files seized from the office of well-known criminal defense attorney Lynne Stewart.

    Stewart had numerous clients facing prosecution by the U.S. attorney’s office, while Cohen isn’t a criminal defense lawyer, prosecutors noted.

    Wood said at Friday’s hearing that she wanted to see the list of Cohen’s clients because Cohen’s attorneys claimed the materials seized in the FBI raid “contain thousands if not millions of documents that are protected by attorney-client privilege,” which the attorneys said would require a special review process.
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    Does Marc Elias of Perkins Coie have attorney-client privilege with clients such as the DNC, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and/or Fusion GPS?

    Judge Kimba Wood, failed Clinton attorney general nominee and central figure in the Nannygate scandal in the '90s, ruled against Cohen.

    U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood said that she had faith in the Justice Department's so-called "taint team" to isolate materials protected by attorney-client privilege, but added that she would consider allowing a neutral third party requested by Cohen to weigh in.

    I don't have faith in the Justice Department. DOJ brain trust Sally Yates legitimately feared that Lt. General Michael Flynn was open to RUSSIAN blackmail because he had a conversation with RUSSIAN diplomat Sergei Kislyak during the presidential transition. DOJ officials also thought that Flynn violated the Logan Act in this phone call because it is alleged that Flynn discussed Obama's RUSSIAN sanctions with Kislyak. These are the absurd judgement calls from the DOJ. No thanks.
     

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