Proof of god is a moral question. Do you see the morals shown for god as good or evil?

Proof of god is a moral question. Do you see the morals shown for god as good or evil?

Religions tout themselves as being the final word in moral issues, even though secular law has rejected as too barbaric most of those laws. Not that they were original to Christianity as many of the older traditions had variants of the same laws.

To me, a moral god would cure and never kill. That is the position Jesus took towards the non-believers.

Jesus said to love all people including your enemies and if Jesus is Yahweh then he too must love all and save all just as Jesus would.

Jesus would say that God killing instead of curing is evil.

Jesus would say that God curing instead of killing is good.

If god cures instead of killing then there is no hell as a good god or Jesus would have no use for purposeless torture and death.

Thoughts?

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DL

 

I don't think that he would. I think he would say "thy will be done", realizing that all humans are going to die in time, from something that God created. People were never designed to be permanent. If you buy into the immortal soul thing, then killing may in fact be a mercy that results in a new cycle, or at least a new body (and maybe a sword made of fire).

 

I guess Jesus and Yahweh would have a fight then. I hope Jesus wins as Jesus has the better aptitude and morals.

Being killed when god can cure just as easily, prematurely, regardless of the future, is an immoral act.

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DL

 

Like I said, I don't think they would. Jesus seems to trust that Yahweh knows what he's doing.

Aptitude? Yahweh seems to have more aptitude at creating universes. Morals? Well, that's a matter of perspective.

From your limited, mortal, perspective. It may just be that there's a lot of things you don't know, living as you do in the physical world. Perhaps when you die is when the real party starts, and what's "immoral" to you isn't immoral to someone with omniscience.

 

In Christianity, Yahweh and Jesus are the same single god.

Indeed and that is why I said that Jesus would chastise and condemn Yahweh for his killing when he could just as easily cure the way Jesus said was his way.

Yahweh's commandment applied to the physical world and scriptures tell us we are to decide here. Not god.

Gen3;22 Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Make your judgement on Yahweh if you are up to the task.

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DL

 

yes all sunshine
never clouds
never fog
never rain yuk!
so who did jc torture to death?

 

Kind of. But if you want to push that, then your own argument goes away.

Chastise and condemn himself?

Decide what? Not your time of death, that's for sure.

Well, if it were that simple, then all humans throughout time would have the same sense of good and evil. Clearly, they have not.

 

Given that Jesus and Yahweh have been tied at the hip by that stupid Trinity concept, Jesus created all the genocides attributed to his other head as they are both one and the same god.

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DL

 

I do not think so as one character gets pitted against the other. It is the moral question that gets answered and not the reality of whatever number of gods Christians stuff into the stupid Trinity concept.

Sure.

Have you never self-corrected yourself?
If not, lucky that.

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DL

 

Decide the morality of things.

We can decide when we will die in Canada.

That does not mean that we will get the exact time and place but it does give us a deadline and time of death should we choose it.

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At least 70% of us use some kind of reciprocity rule to guide us. If push came to shove, I could likely push that stat a lot closer to the 100% mark.

What have you read that shows that we do not all share the same basic moral package?

Leave out the not quite same. I can give you that really small % of the whole.

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DL

 

so then everyone has religion, I dont have an issue that.

 

Only in your posts.

Sure, I've had to self-correct, but that first means that I had to first acknowledge that I was wrong. Jesus and Yahweh don't really do that.

 

According to traditional Christianity, eternal torture without even the release of death will be the norm for most souls.

 

You mean decide what God's morality should be (e.g. should he kill or cure)? Because our ignorance is as good as his omniscience, right?

Sure, anyone can kill themselves, and you don't have to live in Canada to do it. It's beside the point anyway, since you specified that "the morality of things" is what you were saying we should be deciding, not our time of death.

 

We were talking morals in individuals, not tribes.

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DL

 

Yahweh did when he repented after using genocide in Noah's day.

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DL

 

Till al of hell gets dumped into the lake of fire. The second death in Christian terms.

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DL

 

If you wish to see yourself as ignorant, go ahead.

If I choose to die at some point in time, I will not suicide. We have assisted suicide which is the most humane way to help our friends and neighbors.

A good picture of barbarians.

You might remember what Christians did to those good people for their wealth and not their souls.

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DL

 

Just because you promise not to do something again, that isn't saying that it was wrong to do the first time, or "repenting". In this case, Yahweh may simply have looked into the future and saw that it would not be required again.

 

All humans are ignorant in comparison to omniscience, some just have too much hubris to admit it.

Dude, assisted suicide is suicide.

Oh? Does what the Christians did offend your sense of morality? Because that proves my point just as well as the barbarians do.

 

Speculative nonsense.

Then he should have looked to the past and prevented the sons of god from screwing with our females.

God can do anything. Right?

So why not just change the past. God repented because he sinned when he used genocide and killed instead or curing.

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DL

 

While you have enough hubris to posit an omniscient entity that is imaginary.

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DL

 

Yes. Inquisitions and jihads offend me.

Strange if those and their ongoing homophobia and misogyny do not offend your sense of morality.

I guess that yours is defective.

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DL

 

Talk about speculative nonsense. There are zero instances of God changing the past, while we have multiple instances of God knowing the future. And obviously Yahweh didn't "repent of genocide", because he went on to command his Jew army to genocide the Canaanites.

I didn't posit sh!t. You set up the parameters of this discussion in your OP, not me. We are operating within the bounds of Christian belief according to those parameters, and if we aren't, then there's nothing to talk about. It makes no damn sense to compare what Jesus thinks to what Yahweh thinks if we aren't going to follow the well-known convention that Yahweh is all-knowing. If it ain't all-knowing, it ain't Yahweh. I didn't make that up.

Bro, you have completely lost the plot. It's like you just can't see past your hate for Christianity enough to form a coherent thought. If Inquisitions, jihads, etc. offend your morals, that proves that morality is not as universally agreed upon as you tried to claim. Just like Aztecs with their human sacrifice. I never said I agreed with anything the Christians did, I said it was further proof that your assertion is wrong. So if anything is "defective", it's your reading comprehension.

 

Then you ignore scriptures.

Gen6.6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Yet you are ignoring scriptures that Christians believe as I just showed.

The Trinity is a Christian concept and again, you seem to want to ignore it.

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DL