Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government, Re-Election Of Obama

Liberals are hypocrites. Millions of them will show up in order to vote for another four more years wars.

 

Then I'm standing on the other side. Labor revolution will result in Marxism and I'd rather die a Capitialist than live a Marxist! The Current US Constitution cannot survive a coup or a revolution. It will be scrapped and replaced with one of the bastard Constitutions of Europe. I'd rather fight.

 

Whats the alternative, a government that has no moral base, just one that does whatever the most popular idea at the time is. A communist, fascist, marxist, whatever type of government you propose will at some point prop up certain segments of the population and destroy others, they are no different then a theocracy. All radical governments will in the end accomplish the same thing, thats why the constitution is very specific that the government has limited power, that would include pushing it towards a theocracy.

 

Populist uprisings are doomed to failure if they are not let by people of principle and intelligence. I, for one, am wary of populist mobbery. They're as apt to kill you and steal your property as a tyrannical government.

 

We did not "initiate" the violence, though. Big difference.

 

Nope, wrong. No violence was necessary on the part of the British monarchy or the British Parliament, they CHOSE that path.

Okay? It is also kind of hard to expect a mugger to just put down the knife and let you go on your merry way...he is still initiating violence by holding the knife to your throat.

 

And what we currently have is a plutocracy. That's something the Constitution couldn't prevent.

 

Who initiated the violence in the Civil War?

 

I could make an argument for either side. What does that have to do with this? Do you purposefully want this conversation to devolve into dissecting minutiae?

 

So if my city chose to secede from the U.S., would it be reasonable to expect the feds to just peacefully allow them to proceed?

*shrugs* That doesn't seem too different from what we did to the natives.

 

I'm just saying that initiating violence is necessary sometimes.

 

I would expect them to initiate force against your city. I would also expect a mugger to stab you if you didn't give him your wallet. What I expect to happen and what is right or just are two different things. Perhaps you want to reword your question?

And it was immoral and unjust then as well. What is your point exactly?

 

Give me an example.

It's the Zero Aggression Principle: No one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation.

If you have an exception to that then I'm all ears.

 

Well, of course the Constitution couldn't prevent it. The Constitution can't prevent anything because it is just a document, a legal codification of a political philosophy. It was our failure to follow the Constitution which lead to this situation. We cannot blame the Constitution or the men who wrote it; we can only blame ourselves for failing to adhere to it.

 

My point is that life is often kill or be killed.

 

The North.

 

I don't believe in that principle. Sometimes, it gets to the point that the people running things can only be defeated through force. We've reached that point now.

If you want any real change in this country, it will require a lot of death and destruction.

Elections are basically a joke now.

 

Perhaps it was, but there is only one way we'll fix things at this point....

 

And if someone is trying to kill you (initiates force against you) then you are within your rights to use violence against said person. That doesn't contradict anything that I've said.

 

I was thinking in terms of your metaphor for what England was doing to us as colonies.

We've reached the point now where Wall Street is England, and the rest of us are colonists. It's time to remove "England", so to speak.

 

Wall St. is a disease on the American people.

(*)(*)(*)(*) them. I don't need them.

They can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

 

Yes, only one way, which is to use the democratic mechanisms of our political system to effectuate peaceful change consistent with the principles of the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.

 

I've lost all faith in that. The system is bought.

It was a nice experiment, but it has failed.

 

Not the system, just the people. The Founders gave us a road-map to liberty and prosperity and we took a detour into bastardized socialism.

 

Perhaps, but I just see it as the nature of human history. Over a long enough timeline, a system gets corrupt beyond repair and must be destroyed to start anew.