Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC

That's it. Again, I think the question comes down to whether the action commemorated was worthy. The Cause of the South is unworthy. As bad as was the genocide of native americans, a nation did come about that respects individual rights and republican government. I lived near Pine Ridge for a while, and it was a bad place. But in the end, I think most of us thought if Native Americans assimilated, it wouldn't be a horrible thing. That may be shallow, and even dismissive .... but it is a lot different morally that the South's cause.

 

Which Americans agree is a good thing, yes?

 

If one farts they are not only racist, but they support hitler and stalin and must be attacked by a mob.

 

the very existence of the British Empire was not based on white supremacy.

the Confederacy was, so says the Vice President of the CSA

 

No you aren't. The founders were just as racist and pursued independence based on a white supremacist understanding of what that independence would entail. No political rights for women, non-whites, or poor people. That was the kind of independence America's founders fought for. So if you condemn the confederacy, then you condemn the founders. There is simply no way to get around that, no matter how much sophistry you employ.

Thomas Jefferson was a white supremacist. His war for independence was based exclusively on a desire to enshrine a republic based on white supremacism. The only difference between the north and the British is that the British did not pretend to care about Jefferson's slaves.

 

the core value of the CSA was white supremacy.

 

Uh, yes it was. White supremacy was at the heart of the English and American political systems in the 18th and 19th centuries. Even Abraham Lincoln was a white supremacist who wanted to deport former slaves to Africa.

 

the USA was on the path towards ending slavery.

The South hated this, and thats why they seceded.

 

So was the USA. The only ones who had any political rights in the 18th and 19th centuries were white male landowners.

 

So John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Benjamin Rush, John Hancock, and John Dickinson were white supremacists?

 

admit it, if the CSA had remained independent, there would still be Segregation in the South.

 

"The monument came down after 9:15 p.m. Earlier in the evening, protesters covered the statue with tall, gray banners, erecting “an alternative monument” that said, in part, 'For a world without white supremacy.'"

Well, I can't very well agree with your agitprop proclamations about this being an attack on "America's history, traditions, values and customs," nor that they are "erasing America's history and replacing it with cultural-marxist revisionist history." What I see here is a response to modern white supremacy, which is sadly very much alive, and actually an acknowledgement of history on their part.

I look at it like if Germany had erected monuments to Nazi generals and such in the years after WWII. I think those, too, would end up being toppled at some point, and justly so.

 

So rather than petition and have the government remove these statues peacefully, you prefer a mob of nutjobs attacking the statue.

Peacefully vs. Anarchy.

If there's a petition and it's effective and a confederate statue is removed, I wouldn't bat an eye.

Anarchy is no solution.

 

This is pretty much the main reason why Cuomo recently made the argument that America was never truly great. We're still getting there. Burying the Confederacy and its associated white supremacy in the past, relegating it to history and no longer erecting monuments to the hate and oppression that they represent, would clearly be a part of that.

 

Nonsense. Slavery in the south was never in question at the time the war between north and south broke out. The north was even willing to amend the constitution and make slavery expressly and permanently legal if the south agreed to remain in the union.

 

Cuomo is a dickbag. I'm not surprised you would quote him.

 

I don't know what's been attempted peacefully so far where this statue is concerned. Maybe they've exhausted every peaceful avenue.

While I oppose violence and destruction of property, at least they were only toppling a statue. There are far worse things a mob can do.

 

Yeah and also when the U.S. took power over Iraq, Japan and Germany.

 

The president is a bag of dicks. Cuomo is okay.

 

and yet the main reason every state seceded, was to maintain slavery.

and according to the Vice President of the CSA, the cornerstone and foundation of the CSA was white supremacy over black people

 

No kidding. Ask the store owners who are victims of the BLM riots.

 

I can only assume from your posts that you would have sided with the loyalists in the Revolution.

 

Yes. And yet they were still great men deserving of respect and admiration.

 

Your pro-Anarchy nonsense has been addressed. I have nothing more to say about your mob rule mentality.

 

I think it's abundantly clear that Jefferson saw his hypocrisy, and didn't have an answer for it.