It is what it is without knowing what it is. This is one sorry state of affairs. At least multiverse theory seems to be headed in the right direction.
wait, we are reasoning about the Hilbert space of composed systems, that is to say, considering two systems and their Hilbert spaces [Ha, Hb] the tensor product is Ha x Hb [I've got difficulties in pasting the correct math symbol in this forum, about tensor calculations]. If the two systems are not separable, the fact that they are in a single or multiple universe is actually irrelevant ... [quantum entanglement is not limited by the "borderline" of a single universe, why should it?].
Ultra long wavelength electromagnetic waves, could potentially pass right through the black hole, particularly if it is part of the background vacuum energy (quantum fluctuations). It is also theoretically possible for a black hole to be torn apart, possibly by an extremely high energy collision with another black hole or neutron star.
OK...it is obvious you do not understand WHAT a Black Hole is and perhaps you are talking about such Ultra long wavelength electromagnetic radiation being able to PASS BY a Black Hole as NOTHING CAN ESCAPE BEING IN THE SINGULARITY. Let me explain. The Creation of a Black Hole upon a Massive Celestial Body Level.....is dependent upon having a RED GIANT that was usually at one time a SUPERMASSIVE STAR....as even a YELLOW DWARF STAR like our Sun once it fuses the vast majority of it's Hydrogen into Helium our Sun will EXPAND INTO A RED GIANT as BILLIONS OF YEARS FROM NOW...our Sun will expand in size to a point with a radius out past MARS. When a one time SUPER GIANT STAR....fuses all of it;s Hydrogen into Helium as it was already a incredibly huge and massive star it's expansion can exist to such an extent our entire SOLAR SYSTEM could fit inside the area of it's EXPANSION INTO A SUPERMASSIVE RED GIANT. At this point and condition when almost all Hydrogen Gas has been FUSED into Helium....the amount of OUTWARD THERMONUCLEAR EXPLOSIVE FORCE....begins and continues to DECREASE. As this Thermonuclear Explosive OUTWARD FORCE is the ONLY THING PREVENTING SUCH A SUPERMASSIVE RED GIANTS STELLAR MATERIAL FROM COLLAPSING IN UPON ITSELF UNDER IT'S OWN GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT...... ......once all the Hydrogen is Fused into Helium.....this Supermassive Red Giant begins to collapse in upon itself. It will continue to collapse and if the total amount of MASS that was once Hydrogen and now mainly Helium is enough to that when this Collapsing Stars OWN GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT is so great due to it's EXTREME MASS.....that the amount of Mass Collapsed VIA IT'S OWN GENERATED GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT IS IN EFFECTED COLLAPSED INTO A THRESHOLD STATE.....where the UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME'S CAPABILITY TO SUPPORT THE EXISTENCE OF SO MUCH MATTER WITHIN A SPECIFIC AREA OF GEOMETRIC UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME....IS COMPROMISED DUE TO THE GENERATED GRAVITATIONAL EFFECT OF THAT COLLAPSED STARS SUPER CONDENSED MATTER...... ......UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIMES GEOMETRY FAILS. Thus a RIP OR TEAR IN UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME GEOMETRY OCCURS. Thus the STELLAR MATTER THAT WAS ONCE A STAR HAS COLLAPSED TO SUCH A POINT AND HAS GENERATED SUCH EXTREME WARPETURE OF UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME GEOMETRY THAT..... ......THIS STELLAR MATTER NO LONGER EXISTS OR IS A PART OF OUR UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME. A SINGULARITY IS FORMED. A Singularity is A ONE DIMENSIONAL UNIVERSAL GEOMETRY. Thus....ANYTHING that falls into a SINGULARITY.....cannot escape because OUR AT MINIMUM 10-D NORMAL UNIVERSAL SPACE-TIME NO LONGER EXISTS!!! A Singulary...like a Black Hole....has only 1-D Universal Geometry. In 1-D...or in a SINGULARITY.....TIME DOES NOT EXIST....SPACE DOES NOT EXIST....MATTER DOES NOT AND CANNOT EXIST.....ENERGY DOES NOT AND CANNOT EXIST. AboveAlpha
Thanks for clearing that up. And, now, that finally puts to rest an idea I had back in college. I was being taught about the electron orbitals in chemistry, and how when energy is added to the atom, it causes the electrons to move into higher orbitals... Add enough energy and the electrons actually leave the orbitals all together. Meanwhile, I kept thinking back to the black holes, I learned about in Astronomy, I thought if enough energy was directed at a black hole, enough to power through the entire mass of the black hole, it would break apart the electrons and the whole event horizon would dissipate for an infinitesimal moment. In that short moment particles traveling at or near the speed of light might escape. The event horizon would quickly reform but there would be a reduction in the mass of the black hole. But, I see now that's impossible. There's no such thing as an electron orbital in a black hole, nor the energy required to pop it out of there. Oh well, so much for that. Well, at least it frees up space in my brain because I don't have to worry about it anymore.
Violates the Uncertainty Principle and the theory of Hawking Radiation. Hawking already lost the bet that nothing escapes a black hole....10 years ago. Lines are one dimensional, and black holes are not lines. "...a line has a dimension of one" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension Black holes are not lines. Singularities are generally not lines, and black holes are not lines.
When I asked AboveAlpha for the math he explained some concepts to me and then pointed me in the direction of the Inverse Square Law of Gravity: GM ÷ r[SUP]2[/SUP]. One dimension is all you need to calculate for gravity. In Physics, like your link to Wikipedia indicates, 1-dimension contains both the Number-Line AND the Angle. Darn, I should have asked him if that means the Black hole is wound up like a ball of string.
Really? You are going to attempt to argue Space-Time Dimensionality with me when you don't even understand basic Geometry? A Singularity is a 1-D Reality. NOTHING....not matter or energy....can exist in 1-D. A LINE...is NOT 1-D. Any RADIATION that has been detected leaving the area of a BLACK HOLE....is doing just that....LEAVING THE AREA!!! It has not entered the Singularity as of yet and thus it skirts around that point of Singularity. You are making the mistake of thinking about One Dimensionality like your school teachers discussed it with you in 3rd grade....it is not like that in reality. Another example of STUPIDITY is the BOOK FLATLAND....which details out a 2-D World. Matter and Energy also cannot exist in 2-D. If a LINE exists....DISTANCE EXISTS!!! Distance does NOT exist in 1-D. AboveAlpha
Nothing can escape a Black Hole once it enters the Singularity which is a 1-D Point of Universal Reality. 1-D means there is no distance...no time....no ability for any matter or energy to even exist never mind flow outward from it. AboveAlpha
Yes, that's consistent with what you've been saying all along. But, something has changed. The last time I brought up my idea you thought I should publish the results. Which leads me to think that something has changed in the physics community. Something to do with black holes. Do you know what it is?
Okay so nothing's changed in the physics community regarding black holes, I was just checking. Prior to my psychotic break it seemed to me like everything in the Universe had changed. So every now and then I just check to make sure reality isn't broken (knock on wood). It doesn't help that the conversation we had was deleted, otherwise I could have showed you what that was about and you could have described to me what you saw.
A black hole is not a singular point, it has volume. Some black holes are bigger than others. It's not really absolutely true that nothing can escape, although it's virtually impossible. At least for anything with a mass/energy much smaller than that of the black hole, there is no possible way for any matter to have enough energy to escape.
Although theorists really do not know, at the least, the inside of a black hole may be comparable to a neutron star, where the gravitational force is so strong it squashes protons and electrons into neutrons, which occupies a much smaller volume. Guess what? That Hawking radiation (assuming it even exists) that is emitted is entangled with the inside of the Black hole. Entanglement doesn't just work one way in time. The orientation of the emitted radiation will actually be dependent on what is inside the one-way barrier (in this case the Black hole) before the entangled radiation even enters. (unless passing through an event horizon somehow breaks down entanglement, which there is no reason to believe) If you are really interested in the science of these types of phenomena, you might read this: http://physics.illinois.edu/people/kwiat/interaction-free-measurements.asp#intro-ref To summarize, basically information can be carried by a "virtual" photon, one that was never really there. It exists as a superposition of states, part of the wave form, but never manifests as an actual particle. So you could "see" something without actually having to disturb it with any photons of light.
Does this mean we can go back in time and unelect George Bush? Or would we end up with TWO George Bushes, and they'd be all entangled with each other? No real difference then, yes?
A singularity is a point, you can describe its position with a system of coordinates in any matrix of dimensions [from 1 to 16, if we want] ... but being a point ... The core of a Black Hole is non dimensional [it has got no dimensions ... it's a point!]. Different matter is the volume contained in the event horizon, it's obviously a 3D spheroid ..., but the singularity is a non dimensional entity [it's a point!]. - - - Updated - - - A singularity is a 0-D entity: a non dimensional entity, as I said above, it's a point [since there is no theoretical reason to infer that it should preserve a volume of any kind]. Along a line [1-D universe] distances exist, absolutely. Let's imagine a point and we call it A, let's imagine I move along the line and I reach the point B, the segment between A and B will be a measurable distance, also in our 1-D universe.
I've only read post #1 the OT, so forgive me if my reply has already been covered. Your OT is about some of my favorite science subjects. I love quantum physics and classical physics equally well. I love QM because I think its weirdness is a method that could possibly enable what we now call supernatural processes. It could also validate the more bizarre aspects of the much maligned Metaphysics. Many of us interested in science knows Quantum Entanglement is what Einstein, who early on did not like QM called it 'spooky action at a distance. Not many know Isaac Newton also distrusted and did not believe QE or spooky action at a distance existed he said QE was ; so great an Absurdity that I believe no Man who has in philosophical Matters a competent Faculty of thinking can ever fall into it QE works like this; a pair of particles like polarized photons which display a 'mutual relationship, or as you called it bind with each other' (for lack of better words) exhibit the astonishing ability to communicate instantaneously [/][/b] across any distance, short or light years long, even across the universe! Of course instantaneous transfer of info would in any of the examples violate the universes speed limit, ie (light speed). Still experiment shows entanglement does exhibit the above qualities. I find this exciting on several levels! It could provide a way for Metaphysics and even supernatural events etc to work in the framework of science. Not only that, it gets weirder due to the superluminal nature of QEs information exchange. Hold on to your computer chairs, its gonna be a wild ride. reva
Did you say a singularity is a point? Lol correct for lack of a better word, it is a point of infinities. Trying to describe an singularity is like trying to use our physics, to study it. They fail. Hawking said we need a new physics to understand the most mysterious 'singularity' of all, the singularity that birthed our universe. Correct, however, maybe, there is no a or b because a singularity is infinitely 'small' infinitely dense, and it seems infinitely unknowable. reva
But we can go beyond this simple geometrical definition, using a more comprehensive approach. From the perspective of the deformation of the geometry of the space-time we can say that a singularity is a non dimensional entity ... without center, since, following a theoretical experience of a fall into a singularity, it's substantially impossible to reach its center. Simply because we would "fall" at the speed of light and at that speed, in the sense of the motion, distances aren't and time stops. So, the "observer" after passing through the event horizon, will never reach the singularity, never ...
I can agree with the first part of your post. However, only to an observer outside the effects of the blackhole's EH/gravity would time seem to stop for someone or some thing falling into a blackhole. Lets do a superhero thought experiment. Superman decides to explore the interior or what lies beyond the event horizon. Being SuperXsuperman he won't not experience the unpleasant effects of asymmetrical stretching named after a well known pasta. SuperXman would say his time is passing normally (according to his supertimeX watch he bought on his home planet), however looking back with his supervision the normal universe would speed up to more than a blur...then it would really speed up! Jimmy Olsen would see his super pal seemingly stop (forever) just at the EH. If superman continued to terminal escape velocity of light well yopu are right not even that speed would release him after he crossed the event horizon. according to some good minds supernaut would pass through a white hole and enter another universe or maybe galaxy depending on what and if extra dimensions exist and other variables that you probably know better than I. WAIT superman is calling from Orion telling Olsen to come on through he will not be harmed! Why? The black hole is rotating at precisely the right speed to offset the BHs gravity well....that too may be possible if ET exists it will be a better probability tho'. reva
I think hawking said in the case of a virtual particle one does not (or does) enter the BH EH and the other does, being entangled it has the information of the other in the black hole. Thus information and I think another factor escapes a black hole. Hawking also said a black hole will eventually evaporate. He did lose that bet eh? The above was from memory about a subject that did not highly interest me so I urge it be verified if it is to be repeated. reva
Superman can travel faster than the speed of light so that he would see a negative expansion of distance and the time ... SF a part, from the viewpoint of the "observer" passing the event horizon, actually the universe would be "stopped" [in the sense of the motion] just at the EH. Nothing towards, nothing backwards, just a 2-D universe surrounding the "observer" like an infinite flat ring ... [with good peace of Superman!].
It means that the election of Bush was determined by what the other candidates would have actually done had they been elected, to use this as an analogy. Probability in the present is actually determined by potential probabilities in the future, even if they never actually happen. The universe has ways of enforcing its laws, and that enforcement isn't always after-the-fact. We can take a logic extenuation of this implication and see that sometimes the universe starts far back in time to make sure the laws apply to the future. When you can understand these correlations, you understand entanglement.
I suppose he could warp and fold space essentially like a super-massive black hole tearing our universe a new one eh? We can agree to disagree! If I understood you correctly. If we could be made to be impervious to the effects of a black hole or enter an rotating BH our time would run normally. One would think not because as the object or superman began accelerating near light speed his mass would drastically increase. That would apply if the object was a subatomic particle, an elephant or a mouse, all would began piling on mass. When the velocity crept up to 9.9997 per cent of the speed of light the objects what ever they were their mass would increase to 430 times their ordinary 'rest mass' ('rest mass' is a physics term meaning roughly not moving relative to anything in the experiment) however, as the items velocity increases a few more decimal points things really will begin to get interesting! At 99.9999991 per cent of the speed of light, their mass is 7,000 times greater than their rest mass! On and on until the mass becomes infinite at light speed. reva
