Question about speed

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    The result these scientists achieved is certainly worth investigating to see what is going on.

    But, physicists aren't abandoning the theory of relativity.

    This isn't about me, by the way. I'm merely attempting to communicate what physicists have discovered about how things work.

    If you can find where I misrepresented physics, THAT would be my mistake.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't you notice the little apostrophes around the word "teleport"???

    If you actually read the article, you should have noticed the following quote:

    "This “quantum teleportation” doesn’t actually involve teleporting a real object—it’s not really teleportation at all. "
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course I read it but my point is that we are pushing the science.

    Making breakthroughs all the time so to say that we can't do something, that its impossible, is wrong.

    If all the scientists in our history had your attitude we never would have invented anything.

    "Can't fly a plane.....that's impossible man, its proven"!

    lol
     
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    me neither physics wasn't my favorite topic, can't say I paid much attention in class...
     
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    We were talking about speed. Your article has absolutely nothing to do with that.

    You're suggestion of "breakthroughs all the time" as it relates to speed is far more an engineering thing - like flight, like rockets, etc.

    These things didn't require changes in physics.
     
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    Fair point, but how is it steered to the destination, and to pass around other planets which might be in the pathway to Mars? I mean it's a lot further to Mars than to the moon?
     
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    Currently there is no known mechanism by which a particle with mass can be accelerated to the speed of light. It has been repeatedly demonstrated experimentally. You wishing something is so is nice, but it's not going to help.

    "Bending space" is also part of general relativity and, for example, black holes do it very well indeed.

    No there aren't....Where did you get this idea ?

    No you can't, because what you've said simply isn't true.

    What we're actually doing is deriving mathematical models which more and more accurately approximate the physical universe, that's the way it works. You're right that we haven't got everything figured out but the speed of light, like absolute zero is one of those absolutes which does not seem to be breached.

    True, but we haven't discovered a particle with mass moving at the speed of light (and I hope we never do because its mass would be infinite),

    ......and most things remain impossible.

    Please actually look into the mathematics of Special Relativity. It's comparatively approachable for the layperson. If your maths is very strong then General Relativity will also be very interesting but the maths is very challenging indeed.
     
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    There aren't any planets between the Earth and Mars.

    The ship isn't steered towards Mars, the appropriate trajectory is calculated and the ship is fired at the place where Mars will be at the time the two are due to intersect. It's just a much more complicated version of aiming "off" when trying to shoot clay pigeons.

    In case where a probe is being sent to one of the outer planets, they can either do the same thing or, if the planetary alignments are right, they can "slingshot" the probe around one planet, getting some "free" acceleration as a result.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist
     
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    If you believe that drivel you'll believe anything. It's all 'chewing gum for the brain'.
     
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    Which bit ?

    That there are no planets between the Earth and Mars ?
     
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    Yes, because how on earth (no pun intended) do you know that?
     
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    Many, many hours looking through telescopes, and basic mathematics.
     
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    You've made me have a moment of self-doubt; all the links tell us that Mars is almost 40 million miles distant and it can be seen with the naked eye. I'd have thought it impossible, but I obviously can't argue with the apparent facts. It just seems inconceivable to me, even in the universe, that there could be nothing between point A and point B for that unimaginable distance. On the other hand, seeing it is one thing, but getting there is another?
     
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    There are no planets between Earth and Mars! :eek:
     
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    If you DONT believe that well established and mathematically/physically proven reality you are purposefully ignorant and quite possibly cerebrally challenged.


    Here is a perty cartoon fer ya' sew ya kin git it.
     
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    No planets, or stars, or any other 'heavenly body' apparently. Who'd've thunk it, eh?
     
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    I'm not impressed by CGI or artists impressions.
     
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    Anyone with even an elementary school knowledge of our solar system already knows it.
     
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    I am not impressed by purposefully ignoring thousands of data points in order to maintain absolute ignorance.
     
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    Not really. Rockets work in outer space because they provide their own fuel and oxygen to burn the fuel. There is nothing about being in a total vacuum that makes a rocket not work. We will reach Mars if we want to. We routinely send unmanned ships there, there is no reason (other than desire and expense) that we can't go to Mars.
     
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    They would fall at the same speed in a vaccuum, where aerodynamics don't make a difference, as there is no air.
     
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    Friction at 185 mph isn't nearly what it is at 800 mph when you hit the atmosphere. That, and it's cold up there.
     
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    Of course, otherwise they wouldn't have to adjust the GPS for it. If it doesn't happen, then adjusting for it would make things off.
     
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