Question about white race based organizations

Go to the Southern Poverty Law Center site. I'm sure you will find lots of such organisations listed there.

 

Trump is one man and hate to break it to you, but all those guys that helped Trump get where he is are peeing in their pants every time they see a crowd of BLM supporters header their way.

 

The United States government has done more for the black race than all other governments combined! That includes what black led countries have done for blacks included.

 

You find a lot of groups, most of the listings are defunct. And, as I keep repeating on this thread, NONE of those are really doing anything except complaining. If you were in trouble over a racial clash, which of them would donate to your legal defense? Send a lawyer? Show up at your door to help the family if you were in jail? What bills have those organizations written and lobbied for that would help America?

 

Of course you don't. The corollary that trashes your argument is unfair tactics as far as you are concerned; you want the argument to be limited to your words, interpreted by your rules. Standard left-think, unacceptable.
I don't value the respect of people who don't earn my respect for the way they do things.

 

What I'm saying is that I want to be held accountable for what I say - without someone switching the context and implyng that my response referred to some other issue.

 

I frequently use analogies, similar, comparable situations which allow an different perspective on the same premise. If a person's mind is open, it helps them see the point. That is not a change of subject- it is a change of perspective or the way in which you see it. Some people hate that, especially if it casts a new light on things. I will try and remember that you seem uncomfortable with this.

 

Maybe they're just catching up for the 200 yrs of white only campuses.

But they should work to uniting the diversity not dividing.
But I suspect it's more of a cultural thing at this time?

 

But he is the leader of USA at present. He is the main representative.

 

If you want to use an analogy, fine.

But, analogies are invariably weak as there are rarely alternative situations that work in a similar fashion.

And, more importantly perhaps, they lure one to make massive assumptions.

They almost always come off as something like, "Oh, so that means YOU would do X in this other situation! Wow, you must be an idiot!"

 

Trump is a figure head whose policies were by executive fiat. When he leaves office, the next president will undo most of Trump's Executive Orders.

 

While analogies do have weaknesses, they are better than nothing when someone's brain is unable to see outside it's self-imposed box, cannot re-examine an issue except exactly as it has done before.

 

Like I said, go ahead an use anaolgies.

But, when you use them as an attack vehicle it is highly unlikely to work well - even when you are right!!

 

Look- I don't think you are a dumb person, never have. But surely, you recognize that anyone interested in a good outcome from our problems has to be able to accept points because they are right, whether they serve their narrative or not. This has become a game of denial of truth and fabrication or distortion of truth to make alternative conclusions.

People of opposing views can discuss and agree not to agree- but if they are at all rational, they have to see the real parameters of the issues- ALL of them, and order them in importance.

That is what mature and realistic people would do. It is what I try to do, but nearly impossible to do as one side of any discussion. When people attack in the beginning, it's pretty normal that there will be a counter to it. If you feel attacked..... Well, so does everybody here and most other places. It's certainly not what I seek, but often what seeks me when people don't like to hear what I know is sound fundamental logic.

 

That doesn't mean he isn't having any effect on things in the world.
In fact, his EOs are having some major effects. Trade war. Pulling out of agreements.

We are losing our status as leader of the world. If the $$$$ ever stops being the world's currency, the USA will be hurting.

China and Russia are filling voids that we left.

 

This could not be more true - or more important.

It's seriouisly shocking.

We are less than 5% of the population of the world.

Yet Trump thinks we can ignore the increasing realignment of the 95% without us.

Who the HELL does Trump think we are that we can do that?

And, then to top it off, he shows no interest in higher education and science - the central requirements toward which our world economy is traveling, and totally ignores our failed defense against COVID, where those major countries who are succeeding get to open their economies safely and earlier!

None of us on this board will outlive the damage being done to America.

 

Your last statement is probably true- but you fail to realize that Trump isn't the one trashing America, he's the one trying to stop it.

The real trash people never think of themselves as the trash.

 

I don't see a justification for this racist statement of yours.

Castillo wasn't shot in his car for being a criminal.

Floyd wasn't murdered for being a criminal.

The Australian tourist in Minniapolis who called 911 wasn't murdered for being a criminal.

These people were not murdered for being criminals - which would be grossly illegal anyway.

These people were murdered because they were black.

Then YOU want to suggest that the problem is that black people choose to be criminals???

Really??

 

There is absolutely not ONE thing Trump is doing to defend us from COVID.

In fact, were seeing medical science being attacked by this administration.

Turming America into FL is not an acceptable approach to COVID or our economy.

Europe and other countries, even our own states of NY, NJ, and a few others, show that America CAN be defended, but Trump is actively fighting AGAINST that.

And, that IS a disaster for both our lives and our economy.

 

53% of all murders in America are committed by BLACK people. That's more than the total murdered by all other non-black races combined.
Blacks constitute only 13% of the population- and most of them are good people, not murderers.
That leaves a very small percentage of our population- perhaps 1-2%- WHO ARE BLACK AND COMMIT 53% OF ALL MURDERS IN THE NATION.
This is also true of robbery and several other crimes.

Then YOU want to suggest that those black people DO NOT choose to be criminals???
Do you want to say that these are just accidents, while the extremely rare events of death from improper police actions are intentional murders?
WHO will you make responsible for this? Trump, of course?

And who will you hold accountable for the massive increases in crime resulting from the demand of limiting police, which is happening consistently in democrat/liberal managed cities all over the nation?
For the massive property damages created by rioting gangs of thugs pretending to be "peaceful" protestors?

I hold the thugs directly responsible for every act they do. But equally- I hold the people who sponsor the thugs, those in position of leadership or media exposure who can't bring themselves to stop calling arsonists and criminals "peaceful protestors" and enable the thugs, those refuse to prosecute them, who cower and bow to mob violence- and the rank-and file people who buy into that bullcrap and support them.

WHO will you hold accountable for the 1-year old black child sitting in his stroller at a barbecue and family party in New York, who was shot and killed, with 4 others wounded- by blacks in a drive-by?
Will you blame that on the police too?

I will hold thugs accountable for being thugs- any color. I don't expect anybody, including police, to be perfect- and we do have laws to deal with police abuse, and YOU KNOW IT.
Those laws took immediate force in Minneapolis- and nobody on the left gave a damn about that, because the opportunity to riot was at hand.
That was a Political Opportunity- because the politics on the left have degraded to the point that NO LIVES MATTER.
The ploy that some do when it's useful to them, and others don't.... IS Bovine Excrement, self-serving BS coming from people with no moral compass at all.

Criminal acts lead to police interventions and arrest. Resistance to arrest or threatening the police can lead to the use of force. People may be killed- and often, it leads to the death of police officers. IF you don't care about the the death of people trying to protect you and enforce the law, why do you care about thugs who wind up being killed when they put themselves and the officers at risk in the first place?

You are again making a lop-sided argument to distort the bigger picture- which I know you are smart enough to see, but choose to deny- like the 800 lb gorilla sitting on your lap, so to speak.
WHY?
Are you confused, or is your position what actually what your argument points to?

 

tRUMP is an idiot. But a smart one that knows how to pander to his base.
The base also is against science and education. They call it brainwashing while they attend the church of choice to be brainwashed.

He's a narcissist, an extreme one at that. He only cares how many people kiss his arse.
Today, he said how can Biden be prez, he won't get the ratings. LOL. Ratings are all tRUMP cares about.

It's his base that wants to isolate America. They thing by isolating us, some jobs will return.
Even though, they are the party largely responsible for the jobs leaving 30+ yrs ago with trade agreements.

We were at basically full employment at under 4%. Just who was going to fill those jobs they want to come back?

But, we are isolating. We are starting trade wars, pulling out of trade agreement.
Meanwhile, China, Russia, other countries, continue on with trade and agreements. We will be left out.

I often say, lead, follow, or sit out. We have chosen to sit out.
We were the leader.

 

This does NOT support your post that I criticized.

There IS a crime problem. I did not suggest there isn't.

And, a contributing factor is a police force that the people being policed CAN NOT TRUST. Policing fails when that happened. If the police where you live lost all trust with the community, there would be crime increase where you live, too. Policing works when people trust them. When they get called, given information. When their presence isn't seen as life threatening by one and all. When outcomes are positive and fair. Etc.

If the police are the enemy, then there is really no chance of success.

Also, your comment about police being held to account is simply garbage. Police get away with murder. And, I do NOT mean figuratively. Plus, trust is lost LONG BEFORE it becomes an issue of murder. Think about it. There are agencies I don't trust, either, and it's not because I think they will murder me.

Your analysis of what happened in Minneapolis is total garbage. The rioting happened BEFORE ANY official act was taken. In fact, those protesting were AGAINST rioting. They called the police!! They called the firemen. There was no answer.

And, whether the 4 murderers in that case will even stand trial is DEEPLY in doubt.

The officer who murdered Philandro Castillo (sp?) was acquitted of "dangerous discharge of a firearm" - and ALL other charges. He received more than $50K on leaving the department, which was presented not as punishment, but as what would be best for the community! In that case, the police force wasn't even operated by the city - it was a force contacted from some remote prvider. How does THAT lead to trust?

We see cases of people being put under arrest and then trying to escape - whereupon they get shot dead. But, there is plenty of evidence concerning why a minoriy individual would see being placed under arrest as a serious and unjustified threat of serious personal harm. There is no record of safe treatment of minorities in custody. Again, trust doesn't exist. So the police resort to murder.

 

Because white lives matter. Duh.

 

The police "resort" to murder?
I would suggest you go out and join a police force in a major city. Then you would have actual experience to draw an opinion from instead of CNN, or whatever arm of the "peaceful protestors" you are part of.
You should note too that every convict in prison is really innocent, and you would know that too- because they said so. That's an equally evil act, where police and prosecutors just like to abuse people and lock them up. You would trust the convicts, because you know the cops aren't trustworthy..... So let them all go. If police were friendly and trustworthy with them in the first place, there would be no crime.
Next time don't call 911; just call Batman. That should work out better; he's so much more righteous.

Sorry, but you continue to have no credibility with me at all. Keep giving you the chance to look over that wall you seem to keep around you, but it's just not happening.

 

Now you are making excuses.

I'm highly pro policing.

But, I'm a white guy and I don't feel at risk of being murdered or even just jailed when I call 911.

The idea that it is the same for minorities is just plain stupid. There is massive evidence against that kind of nonsensical thinking.