Question for the religious

Theists gave us the proof, lack of evidence from your side so claiming there is no supernatural deities isn't a big leap since we don't need absolute certainty just sufficiently founded certainty which is quite high. We are just reinforcing the fact your side fails again and again at your sides claims.

 

What if that belief wants to exterminate those who do not “bow down with those who bow down?” What if that belief wants to rape, pillage, and plunder? What if that belief wants to exterminate sub-humans who genetically believe in myths or have religious beliefs?

“Religion is genetic…” (cerberus)

"Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.":

1) “As stated, if no one bothers me in my beliefs, I see no reason to bother anyone else.” (Arjay51)

2) “And you have this written down in his verified hand? Didn't think so. More myths and misinformation.” (Arjay51)

You obviously can only be happy and satisfied doing away with freedom of speech, because it bothers you.

 

What utter literal rubbish.

 

None of what you cite signals intellect or the capability of independent thought, just rote memory. Not a sign of outstanding intelligence or critical thinking. Try again.

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So you admit to have so much prejudice that you won't even consider what others have to say. You refuse to think for yourself.

Got it. Good little theist.

 

Or, it is only "hate speech" because it challenges your assumptions, prompting you to have to think which cannot be allowed under any circumstances.

 

By challenging those who would deny my freedom of speech? You are very confused and biased in your statements.

Apparently what makes you happy is forcing all to believe as you do, even without proof of your position. That is pathetic and against what you claim to believe.

 

I do not believe anyone denied you freedom of speech on here, I have seen no moderator like Captain Courtesy of Debate Politics who routinely thread banned or threatened to ban people for a word, such as “Obamanation,” which is a derivative of Obamaland (see great seal of Obamaland, which was posted in the humor section). http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/32848-great-seal-obamaland-2.html#post1057652667
http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...phet-mohammed-abomination.html#post1057910795

You cannot find so much as one sentence, anywhere, to back up your claim of “forcing all to believe as you do.”

Stating a belief and arguing a belief is not forcing you to believe it, but it must bother you that other people exist to disrupt your dictatorship and insert thoughts in that closed system and safe space you have there between your ears.

 

Originally Posted by Johnny Brady: In the interests of balance, I wish I could post the hate feedback I get from atheists and nonchristians, but it's so full of cusswords and obscenities that the forum software would blow a gasket trying to edit them out.

Nah mate their hate mail doesn't challenge or debate anything, they just blurt out stuff, here are some examples of the milder ones, and several of them are from so-called "christians"..-
Steve H - "Micks a narrow-minded unchristian unqualified know-nothing silly little man and work-shy racist layabout"
Cymba - "Micks an unchristian aggressive liar showing no fruits of the spirit"
Zeke - "Micks wrong wrong wrong and denies Gods word"
Christian Trucker Pat - "Micks proud,arrogant,self-glorifying, uncharitable,offensive,lacking understanding and talking drivel"
Linda -"Mick's a silly little Brit"
Gloryboundd - "Mick's a senile liar and fool"
Elbown - "Mick you put me off Christianity and i'm a Christian"
SheriNuwine - "Mick you come across as a pervert,do you like cheeky little minxes who play with dollies?"
Sunami - "Mick...the lazy workshy parasite that you are"
"Ghyllie Dhu -"you're a pompous, self-absorbed wingnut who's an embarassment to the faith"
Donbain - " I've got Mick on filter for one very good reason, his intelligence is too low beneath mine to dignify his lewdness with an answer"
Reverend Eric Potts - "You disgust me Mick"
Sandragoggins -"I'm sure God has a special seat in hell for you Mick."

 

I see. When presented with factual, historic data which allows an understanding of the society at that time and which corrects your lack of knowledge, you respond with nothing. And based on your other responses to people, its clear you are not interested in intellectual discussion, just maintaining your ill founded bias. You had a chance to redeem yourself.

 

Hinduism does not have a father figure. They have innumerable gods. So, thinking all religion demands a father figure is not factual.

 

Unlike you, I expect people to disagree with me. You, however, seem intent on pushing only what you believe to the exclusion of all else.

If you don't like disagreement and other ideas, what are you doing in a thread that has promised both?

Forcing the issue, perhaps?

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Seems like the typical theist position.

 

Your idea of "historical data" is apparently quoting unsubstantiated myths with no vision to actually investigate any other thought process.

You had your chance to redeem yourself but failed to take advantage of it.

 

All of these "gods" you speak of in Hinduism are in fact father figures.

You should study something before making assumptions about it. You only re-enforce your ignorant beliefs.

 

Not likely...

...but if there is such a gene, everyone has it, because people need some sense of justification, fraudulent or otherwise, for what they are and what they do; and when justifications are codified to fill that need and appeal to any group of people, they become religions, de facto or otherwise.

I admit nothing of the kind, obviously; and in particular, I was not talking about "others", I was talking about you.

Given that there isn't a dime's worth of difference between your offerings and those of 99.9% of the hundreds of atheists I've tangled with over the last decade and a half, I daresay whatever passes for independent thought in your little slice of the universe has produced decidedly underwhelming results.

Bad try.

 

Don't lend too much import toward mankind and the profundity of religion - in the greater scheme of things we're mere termites! I mean, how many religious termites do you know?

 

Thanks for nothing.

 

You're welcome.

 

"Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated."

“just leave me alone.” (post #1)

If you do not want Jehovah's Witnesses at your door, and want to be left alone, do not put up a sign in your front yard asking them a question.

Like I said, and I repeat:

“You cannot find so much as one sentence, anywhere, to back up your claim of ‘forcing all to believe as you do.’”

For someone intent on pushing only what I believe to the exclusion of all else, which you claim, I do not seem to start many topics.

 

You know, the more you respond with what you think are devastating responses the more pathetic you become. And show even more how wrong you are and unwilling to even consider the opinions of others.

 

Could not starting many topics be because you lack the imagination or intellectual capacity to come up with new topics? Is that why you attack other religions (Jehovah's Witnesses) and can only respond when someone else states an opinion and you have check with your bettors on a method to attack it?

You are incapable of seeing any truth and pitiful in your responses. Again, especially if it bothers you so badly, what are you doing in this thread?

 

For the same reason that I assume you probably debate with people regarding political beliefs or ethics or other issues. I find it interesting and because beliefs often have consequences. That said, I generally avoid addressing ideologies and groups as a whole and focus on specific issues and on the specific beliefs of the person I'm speaking with.

For the most part, I'm not going to bother people who are happy with their beliefs, unless those beliefs are having a harmful effect on other people.

 

I used to get a kick out of Neal Boortz, on "Ring Radio," when he would just let some people talk.

There are more than enough topic starters on here with intelligence.

I do not attack religions (faiths) like the Jehovah's Witnesses, but am free to attack any government:

“One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh1/bh1_46.htm

As we see Islam is not faith. Christians have faith, Islam has the military order "to offer prayers perfectly," and the government's compulsory taxes.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

..."In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammad, the slave of Allah, and His Apostle, to Heraculius, the Ruler of the Byzantine. Peace be upon the followers of guidance. Now then, I invite you to Islam (i.e. surrender to Allah), embrace Islam and you will be safe; embrace Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasants (i.e. your nation). O people of the Scriptures! Come to a word common to you and us and you, that we worship. None but Allah, and that we associate nothing in worship with Him; and that none of us shall take others as Lords besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are (they who have surrendered (unto Him)..(3.64)"...

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
"He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"

“Ownership of land

In Islam there are three kinds of land from the stand‑point of ownership:

(1) Lands owned by society

(2) Lands owned by State

(3) Lands owned by private individuals

Lands owned by society

This kind of lands is not salable. Even the State has no right to sell them. Lands developed and tilled by human hands and those which come under Muslim control consequent on jihad are considered to be the property of the Muslim society and none can purchase or sell even one metre thereof.“

http://www.al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/17.htm

I have reason to care what others believe:

“Hitler, wrote Speer, viewed Christianity as the wrong religion for the ‘Germanic temperament’:[68] Speer wrote that Hitler would say: ‘You see it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?’"[69] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views

http://books.google.com/books?id=XLSa_RIDHMUC&pg=PA96#v=onepage&q&f=false

I certainly will respond to Islamifascists and birds of a feather who want to be left alone until they gain critical mass.

 

In other words, any who dare to differ with what you believe must be attacked. Got it.

 

And I would die a good man with a clean life. However if you're wrong you will be facing the wrath of an angry God.

 

Isn't you god supposed to be loving and forgiving?

Not sure that I would worship such a vengeful entity.