Question for the Republicans on the board....

I wasn’t alive when LBJ was President, but I sure alive when Reagan said it. Also, I don’t know what or how to be a Liberal since I am not… I like the point of “equality of results”, but that is still equality. I agree that some win, some lose and some are too stupid to even “know” what the game is. But, I do think that Liberals have it right to at least give everyone the game, let them understand the game (regardless if it’s in Spanish or Russian or Vietnamese) and let them try. Results no. But, to even the playing field for fair play… yes.

 

HA!!! I guessed four!!! You are a stubborn one Libhater - I'll give you that. A proud stubborn one. I find nothing wrong with it - believe me - I'm RETARDED stubborn...

Knowing this - know ahead of time, we will disagree again... Just don't take it personal!! IT'S THE INTERNET!!!

 

I dont suppose that you catch the irony in making a post complaining about Republicans incessant complaining?...but I digress.

First off, in terms of claming to be from neither side of the aisle, let me be the first to make you aware that with your clear disdain that is evident in your words for Republicans, you are clearly NOT Republican. As far as the argument that you are putting forward, that seems to pretend that if you show instances of Republicans complaining that you have in fact proved your bogus point, that would be the quintessential definition of a strawman. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, and never is this more evident than in the world of politics. You have in fact pointed out examples where Republicans complain, and I will address each with examples of Democratic complaints on the very same issue.

Abortion...Republicans want to take away your right to choose.
Gay Rights.... Republicans dont have a right to shove their morals down OUR throats
Minorities.... Republicans dont like the president just because hes black
Obama.... See the Bush years and Democrats ranting about Bush
Democrats.... Republicans Hate everything
Border... See border position of the left during Bushs years
Women... Republicans hate women, they have a war on you. Dont forget in a virtual tie in national presidential race, with Democrats holding an approximate 11 point lead amongst women, that also means Democrats are losing men by approximately the same amount
Religion.... Christians are lunatics that believe in a mythical creature in the sky
Freedoms.... Republicans want to take away your ability to choose....The patriot act takes away our freedoms

I guess after writing this....should I make a post asking why Democrats HATE so much?

 

Actually it was pretty funny, because all they did (the Republicans) is come on this thread and start complaining!!! It was hilarious!!!

 

I take it you opted for this response because you didn't have a defense? Did this hilarity surpass the humor in you making a post in which you complained that Republicans complain?

 

I could not have said it better, and coming from you maybe it will actually be heard by them...maybe anyway

 

Except that many of the ones doing the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing want to strip that right from people that don't agree with them.

I can't remembers how many times I've heard a republican talkiing about people are traitors and unpatriotic because they don't say and think the same way.

 

it was skittles, not tea, get it right.....You know that blacks can kill with those (*)(*)(*)(*) skittles....he was planning to kill the entire neighborhood!

 

And government has no business trying to guaranty equality of results.

How are conservatives denying anyone the opportunity to try? It's up to the person to educate themselves on the how. Then it's up to them to choose to try.

 

I stated a question. Posted why I have a question based on observation and listed it. Then repeated the question.

Have you been to college?

 

YES THEY DO!! Well, at least “OUR” Gov’t does! We the People… Did you forget that? Our Constitution is based on taking care of its people and making things “equal” for the People.

Exactly… The playing field is not level. There are idiots out there that were born here that shouldn’t even be allowed to VOTE!! I had (RIP) a best friend that told me that the state with the highest electoral votes was Florida and that was 4 votes… He was an architect at Thomson Vivota… and a complete idiot that listened to his dad on everything (and his dad was an uneducated Republican)… The playing field needs to be even. Those that want the same rights as other, and the ones who deny those rights are like my friend who doesn’t know (*)(*)(*)(*) and votes.

I don’t know if I stated that right- coming to the end of the day and it’s Friday!!!

 

Equal treatment under the law is all the Constitution guaranties, not outcomes of your private endeavors but please feel free to cite where you believe it does.

What's not level about it?

That's a player in the field not the field itself. If one team on the football field is totally incompetent is it the job of the referees to give more points to them to level out the playing field? To add more yardage to each gain or strip away any losses.

 

Do you actually think people are treated equally in this country?

Your joking right?... I don’t think you as naïve, but I already gave you an example. There are tons of idiots that vote every year without knowing crap about this country.

That’s the case that it is today. Why should someone who is uneducated get to vote while others have to study in order to vote? Thank you for provided the answer for me before I had to explain it to you!

 

I'm new to this board but I have followed politics for about 60 years.

What do I "hate?" I hate to see our nation going bankrupt.

I hate to see our men and women dying needlessly in Afghanistan. If we aren't there to win, why are we there?

I hate to see the blatant anti-Americanism in the mainstream media.

I hate to see the coarsening of our society by so many things which will never have a happy ending.

I hate to see the competitiveness of our nation falling every year.

I hate to see the ever growing federal control over our lives.

I hate to see the aimlessness of so many people.

I hate to see so many people on the public dole.

I hate to see the disdain for those who practice traditional American values.

Now, for the things I do not hate.

I don't hate gays. I do believe they are probably genetically born that way. I do not understand it but I can accept them.

I don't hate Muslims. I do wish they would be less violent but I can understand a little bit of their hatred in that we ought not to be everywhere in the world. We are not the world's policeman.

I don't hate Democrats. But I believe they have a poor understanding of basic economics and believe (many of them) that money grows on trees. Evidently nothing will dissuade them until we become a larger version of Greece.

I don't even hate Obama although I detest his politics and ideology.

That's enough for now.

 

We have equality of opportunity. That is all a Democracy CAN offer. I was born poor. My Father a bartender in a blue collar mill bar across from a union factory. I was raised UNION, and DEMOCRAT. I belonged to unions, Steelworkers, Railroad workers, AFL-CIO. I worked as a laborer in steel mills and foundries and as a laborer on a railroad track gang. All that taught me is that I did NOT want to do that all my life. My Dad was strict pro-union. When there was a strike and some members broke ranks and worked there was always a large SCAB list on the wall of the bar. Those people got beaten, their houses paint-bombed, and their cars ruined. Even tho he was 100% pro union, Dad always told me, "Whatever you carry in your head, you'll never have to carry on your back!" IE, get an education!. I did. It meant working 2 jobs and taking longer than normal but I did go to college without any family money. And when around successful people, I listened to what they had to say. And I watched what they did. That's why I know obama is a sham and a totally corrupt liar. I climbed the corporate ladder. And then went out on my own. I made money, provided the livelihood for more than a thousand people, workers and family. And a GOOD living. I had salespeople make over $100K a year, quite a few years ago. I wanted them to make money, it meant the company was making money. I got exactly as far as my ambition and talent would take me. Thousands, millions?, are much, much richer than I. I did what my capabilities allowed. If they are more capable, more power to them. Their riches take nothing from me or anyone else. Wealth is NOT finite. It is infinite, but must be built and earned. It cannot be "redistributed" to the masses.
Equality of results is a sham and a lie that will ALWAYS be impossible. Anyone that says its possible is an intentional liar, anyone that believes that equality of results is possible is a complete fool.
We have and have had equal opportunity. Equal opportunity means some will end up with vast riches from the lowest starting point. Some will live a good financial life, and enjoy much of what life offers. Some will suffer crushing defeat. Life simply is not fair and never will be and there is no way to make it more fair. We all should know that lesson well, and even tho we know that lesson well, life teaches it again every day. My first wife was a healthy vibrant woman, she shouldn't have died, but she did. My eldest son should not have been killed by a drunken driver, but he was. I shouldn't have had a heart attack, but I did.
But total it all up and I wouldn't trade places with anyone. I have rich friends that were born rich, that today are poor, very poor. They were never equipped to be rich. No skills, no talent, equals defeated results.

 

That pretty much sums up all of the true patriotic American feelings. Though we both don't hate Democrats, I'm not sure they'll ever understand just how dangerous their policies and or ideology is to our American lifestyle and to our overall soverengity. Look, if a liberal or a democrap hasn't changed stripes and become a Conservative once they reach adulthood and presumably start paying taxes and actually hold down a job--then there is little hope they'll ever change from their socialistic indoctrination to life itself. I still see older hippies and SDS types close to your age who still wear Che Guverra T-shirts around in public. These anti American leftists will never change, even if their bodies and minds are about to expire..

 

Do you have a cite to where the Constitution guaranties outcome?

Not that I saw, how come so many people start out in poverty in this country and get wealthy it the playing field is so unlevel?

Yes they vote for Obama and expanded government subsistence and dependence.
Me>>That's a player in the field not the field itself. If one team on the football field is totally incompetent is it the job of the referees to give more points to them to level out the playing field? To add more yardage to each gain or strip away any losses.

You think that is a proper analogy for the role of government in the free market?

 

I do appreciate the story. You are an honorable man. But, I am trying, forgive me, to understand what that had to do with my post. Could you please take the time to express, as you do so vividly, the connection between the two please…

 

You speak of equality of results as one kind of equality. But equality of results is purely a lie. There can never be an equality of results. If it was universal across a country then it would be unequal and unfair to those that did the earning. But since it is NEVER universal across a country, it becomes a pick of winners and losers. Some "elite' picking winners and losers is as far from any concept of equality as possible. And in the liberal govt philosophy today, that is exactly what we have. Affirmative Action for instance is simply the picking of one group over another to achieve "equality." Insanity would be a better word for it. Medicare and Social Security are more examples of picking winners and losers. The Seniors 'win' and the working taxpayer loses. [And I'm a senior] But then the Senior is a total captive of the govt. Not exactly what I call 'winning." Maybe Charlie Sheen would call that winning, but I don't.
Equality of opportunity is the ONLY kind of Equality there is, or can be. And equality of opportunity does not mean a level playing field. That is again picking winners and losers. Equality of opportunity is the restriction of passing any law that effects equality of opportunity. And every law passed to "level' the playing field, has a negative effect of someone that had no need for a level field.

Equal opportunity is simply, NO ROADBLOCKS, then life picks the winners and losers. Losers consider this unfair. Big Surprise!

 

The Social Contract is the US Constitution. It enshrines the ideal of Individual Liberty. The Constitution says nothing about Equality of Outcome or Social Justice.

Social Justice and Equality of Outcome are not part of the bargain without the consent of the people. Equality of Outcome can't work without buy in from conservatives. Imposition of Equality of Outcome without the consent of conservatives is a breach of the Social Contract that endangers the existence of the political regime based on the Constitution.

 

Not that anyone believes you're not a liberal, but......

If a comet came to earth and gently landed in America, broke apart and had the stinkiest slime you can imagine, that immediately spread it's stink all over the land, would you say that I hate America because I hate the slime?

Or hate the slime of abortion, or homosexuality?

Get sincere.

 

Actually, I don't hate abortion or homosexuality. Hate is a disease which I don't have.

I do however think that abortion is murder, and that homosexuality is the biggest joke that mankind has ever played on itself, and that it is in contradistinction to the Prime Directive established by the Liberal god, Evolution.


Oh, and I'm not a Republican either. Sorry for my intrusion.

 

I could use 4 times as many words and say the same thing. In fact, I have!

 

Hooray for the Kleptocrisy!!! YAY! I just said it in five.

 

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