Racism of the Gaps

So again you are rationalizing bigotry and hatred by saying the victims deserve it. A Black nurse in Orlando who has never been in Chicago DESERVES to be seen as a criminal because a black man In Chicago committed robbery, is what you are trying to rationalize.

 

Some liberals who believe all white people are racist are wrong. Conversely those that feel that blame for racism rests entirely with blacks are also wrong. These are two hurdles this country must clear if the problem is to be solved.

 

No. Because I try to avoid that stereotypes. But try to look at it from the cops viewpoint. When a cop stops a person, that person most likely did something wrong. I have never been stopped by a cop where I did not do something wrong. In my case, it was always speeding. The person being stopped by the cop is already generally in a special category. He broke the law. Whether that person gets arrested depends on what he already did or how he reacts with the officer. If he refuses to comply with the officer, he stands a better than average chance of being arrested. According to a study conducted in San Francisco, a black is eight times as likely to resist arrest as a white man. That knowledge puts the cop on edge. He is anticipating trouble and will tend to react differently than if it was a white man.

It would be nice, if the cop could ignore what he already knows, but out of a need for self preservation, that is not likely to happen.

 

Those are simply the facts. They are what they are.

But aren't you doing the same thing? A cop commits a terrible crime in Minneapolis and therefore all cops are bad?

 

If a person judges people he has never met by the actions of others, that is by very definition bigotry. Judging them through association by skin color is racism. You don't seem to be grasping the fact that rationalizing bigotry and racism merely reinforces
the fact that it exists.

A person doesn't get to say that they aren't a bigot or racist because they come up with reasons in their own mind that justify why they are bigoted and racist. Sorry, just doesn't work that way.

 

Where have I said that? I worked with LEOs for almost a decade, just like other people, they are good and bad. I sure don't
make the assumption that a cop in Arizona is bad because a cop in Chicago was.

The whole world just isn't "A" or "B" and
it's lazy logic on your part to assume they are.

 

But aren't you doing the same thing with policemen?

 

Don't be lazy. Either post where I said that all cops are bad or stop with the troll crap.

 

Sorry. Generally, most of the people I get into discussions about this subject are anti-police.

Again, from the cops viewpoint, when he stops a black man, he is more apprehensive than he would be with a white person because that black man is more likely to resist than a white man.

 

No you don't. Most of the people you talk with are anti-bad police. You just can't help yourself from making broad generalizations, can you?

 

Look around in this forum and you will find a very large number of them are anti police in general. I could name a few, but it would get me in trouble.

 

Canadian here. I grew up in a suburb of a major city where there were very few blacks, but they did not seem different from the whites or Asians. One particular black family that I had the most personal experience with in high school was notably studious and produced a number of high achievers: the oldest son was an expert chess player who became a doctor; one daughter was a ballerina who became a lawyer and is now a judge; etc. AFAIK their race was never an issue. It was only when I began to encounter American blacks (you can tell by their accents) as an adult that I began to have negative experiences: they seemed consistently prickly, belligerent, verbally aggressive, quick to make trouble and provoke conflict. So maybe growing up black in the USA makes American blacks different -- sorta like growing up indigenous in Canada.

There were more indigenous people in my school than blacks, and IME they suffered much the same sort of behavior issues that American blacks do: low academic achievement and K-12 completion, high aggression, alcohol and drug use, crime, single motherhood, etc. One can easily imagine a vicious circle of long-term, institutionalized injustice leading to resentment and a desire to strike back, and the striking back then leading to a perception of belligerence, leading to more suppression, which leads to more resentment, more striking back, ad infinitum.

 

You will find a very few who are totally "anti-police". You really can't help yourself from making bombastic statements, can you?

 

Your examples make it clear how insidious racism is.

Nobody immediately jumps to a conclusion that ALL people are drunks.
Nobody immediately jumps to a conclusion that ALL drivers are reckless.

So, why is it reasonable to assume the actions of a few represent ALL the people a particular race?

 

Are you claiming you know all the people I have had discussions with? That is quite a claim. If they let it be known that they are only talking about the bad ones, I will agree with them.

 

Where have I said that all people are drunks? If I hear someone drinks too much and then I see him making an a$$ of himself, I conclude they drink too much.

Where have I said that all drivers are reckless. If I hear someone is a reckless driver and then I see him driving reckless, I conclude he is a reckless driver.

Where have I said the actions of a few represent the all the people of a particular race? I have said just the opposite.

 

I didn't say you said that. I used those examples based on your earlier post. The point being is we (everyone), generally, do NOT judge a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. My comments were global, not personal.

 

Ultimately we are talking about law enforcement in this discussion. A cop will be more apprehensive when dealing with a black than with a white because the black is much more apt to react negatively.

It comes down to two simple facts. Blacks are more likely to resist arrest than whites, according to a San Francisco study. Nearly all the black killed by cops were after they resisted arrest. Those two facts should tell us something.

 

So if you see a black man resisting arrest then it’s ok to be racist against him??? My lord...that is some twisted logic.

 

I know of many cases in which white people were mistreated by the police. Some of them didn't resist arrest. I know of two black people that were beaten by cops. One died and one is permanently disabled now. Police officers have to make quick decisions in often dangerous situations so I don't begrudge them that.

My concern is that they are basically "untouchable" when an officer uses enough force to maim or kill someone and nobody cares to truly investigate. If anything, instead of defunding the police, we should be looking at how to create some kind of oversight committee to TRULY investigate claims of police brutality.

 

It's heartbreaking stuff. I know a man that was dragged from a car (he was the passenger and was attempting to get out when two of them overpowered him). They threw him on the ground and put their feet on his back and a gun to his head. He was 17 at the time. The guy survived and the cops apologized to him and admitted they acted with undue force and the ONLY reason that happened is the man's uncle was a cop and called the supervisor about the incident. Sadly, not too many black people have a decorated officer to back them up.

 

It is your conclusions which are twisted.

Lets take the Wendy's example. The man was so drunk he did not know where he was. The cop repeatedly asked him where he was and he was wrong every time. He could not pass a simple eye test. He was given a breath test and he was legally drunk. The policeman was obligated to arrest him because he was driving while intoxicated. He resisted arrest when the cop tried to put on the handcuffs. They get into a fight and the man grabs the cop's taser and runs away. He turned to shoot the taser back at the cop and the cop shot him.

It was not a matter of racism. He put himself in that situation. He drove while drunk. He resisted arrest. He got in a fight with two officers. He started running way with a potentially deadly weapon. He turned back towards the cop and fired the taser at the cop. If he had not done a single one of those things, he would likely be alive today.

 

My conclusion is spot on based on your quote below. You blame black peoples behavior for the racism towards them. That’s f’d up.

 

That's life. Kriman is right on this one.

 

Well sure. It’s “right” for those who have no problem being racist towards black people. For those of us who aren’t racist we feel he’s wrong.