Ranked Vote: How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence?

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Over the past few weeks several people have purportedly been beaten up for their political views. Even worse, there have been a number of mass shootings recently, and I'm sure by now everyone has heard mention of the El Paso incident which left 20 dead:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/us/el-paso-shooting-updates.html


    Even just since then (yesterday) there have been several additional mass-shootings,
    including a separate shooting in a small Texas neighborhood and one in Ohio which currently counts 9 among the dead and another 27 injured. It isn't clear at the moment that the motive of each of these shootings is political, though the El Paso one certainly seems to be, but what is clear is this... we really need to do something about the growing violence in this country.

    I do not know if the best way to do that will involve investing in mental health, gun law reforms, economic improvements, adjusting the tone and tenor with which we communicate, or something else entirely. Perhaps the most prudent solution should involve tackling the issue from each of those angles simultaneously. But either way, we really need to come together and try something. We cannot allow ourselves to become numb to stuff like this, to feel like it is just business as usual, for folks to get beat up in the streets or killed en mass over politics...not in the U.S. It's no longer acceptable to just say that such is simply the price of living in this country,...assuming it was ever really acceptable to begin with...

    -Meta
     
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    And more fuel on the fire from the Progressive Squad

    Ocasio-Cortez says marginalized communities 'have no choice but to riot'


    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-CortezAlexandria Ocasio-CortezMcCarthy: Progressive lawmakers are 'no longer Democrats' Trump's greatest allies for a 2020 win: AOC and 'The Squad''Housing for All' must include those who are justice-involvedMORE (D-N.Y.) said this week during an appearance on Ebro in the Morning that marginalized communities have "no choice but to riot."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...alized-communities-have-no-choice-but-to-riot
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    So your solution would be for us to somehow Get Politicians and other leaders to tone down their rhetoric in general?
    Or do you still feel that we should continue to do nothing as you said before??

    -Meta
     
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    Public figures need to tone down their hate bating and dividing rhetoric, while it is self serving to them by getting a lot of media coverage, the collateral damage is does is unforgivable.
     
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    Ranked Vote: How Can We Prevent Societal Rifts From Expanding into Violence?

    We cannot as it is already happening.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed. Though the thing I always wonder, is how exactly do we (the average citizens) get them to do that?
    Its certainly a difficult problem...but I may have just thought of few new ideas. Have to think about it a bit...
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Certainly we cannot change events that have already happened.
    What I'm talking about is future violence/further expansion.
    Surly there must be things we can do better
    in order to prevent some of that...
    or at least to mitigate it.

    -Meta
     
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    There are of course things that COULD be done, unfortunately they will not be. Our current politics are in stagnation against it, between the Republican (Mitch McConnell) blockade and the Trumpist mentality the best we should expect are "hopes and prayers" dutifully spewed after each massacre.
     
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    A little reminder in lue of thoughts and prayers.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    That’s rubbing salt into it.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As intended....a small dose of pain in comparison.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    He’s very funny.
    “We have a constitution, but I don’t know what’s in it”.
     
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    There is no need to vote in this poll because IT IS ALL OVER!
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Even if so, I prefer at least trying to improve the situation over giving up and accepting things as the way they are.
    Regarding senate stagnation in particular, one of the things I'd like to see, among a few others, are revisions to bill discharge requirements.
    It makes no sense that bills are not even voted on... discussing and voting on bills is supposed to be both the senate and house's whole job. What are we paying them for if they aren't going to vote on the most important issues of our time?... Seems to me that for a while now, senate rules originally set up to ensure that contentious bills were sufficiently debated before being voted on have been perverted, resulting in the senate becoming virtually incapable of doing its job. I'd agree that Mitch is part of the problem, though he wont be there forever, and we ought to be thinking of reforms for when he no longer runs things... Its is a serious weakness in our system, that one person can render our law making apparatus so ineffective...

    -Meta
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    That's actually pretty funny.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Explain. What exactly do you mean by that?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    N O W G % D X Q @ Z (in order of importance, N being most important)

    and '?' only if the rest fail and its that or a civil war. (this is most important, but only as a last resort- we're not there yet)

    I support P1-5 (although McCain is a terrible example...), but I also support ending all war and living on the Starship Enterprise, which I think are all equally as attainable, so calculate that (or not) however is best.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks. Based on that I'll put you down as:
    N,O,W,G,%,D,X,Q,@,Z,P1,P2,P3,P4,P5,?

    BTW, are there politicians/people you think might act as better role-models than McCain?
     
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    AlifQadr Well-Known Member

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    It is self-explanatory . . . Over means Over.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard, Rand Paul
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    No. It is not self-explanatory.
    What do you mean by "Over"? What exactly is over?
    The society? The country? The world?.... Or what?

    And why exactly do you think whatever you're talking about is over?
    Again... please explain what exactly it is you mean...
     
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    There are plenty of online dictionaries as well as paper/book dictionaries that contain the word and definition(s) of over.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    No. Your original post was so unclear, it isn't even apparent which definition of Over you're using.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/over

    preposition
    above in place or position: the roof over one's head.

    adjective
    (postpositive) finished; no longer in progress: is the concert over yet?

    adverb

    so as to cover the surface, or affect the whole surface: The furniture was covered over with dust.
    Are you saying our democracy is over and finished? Our republic?
    That violence is all over the place? That the rifts are everywhere?
    Are you saying that we've gone above reversible limits? Or what?

    Why are you making readers guess at this? I mean seriously...
    What's the point of commenting at all if you aren't willing to explain
    anything such that people can actually understand what you're saying and why???...

    -Meta
     
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    As I said, there is no need for me to expound upon the word "over" because it is self-explanatory.
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    And yet you seem unable to put that explanation into words...
     

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