Ranked Vote: How Should the Law Handle Abortion?

"punished with some sort of animal cruelty " ?




WTF does that mean ???

 

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Abortion is foundational to body autonomy. I support the right to choose. Keep all abortion legal.

Abortion is also the killing of a human. I value human life, and shouldn't be forced to participate in the unnecessary killing of humans. Don't subsidize abortion.

Humans are instinctually sexual. They're going to F regardless. Condoms should be as readily available as possible.

 

Why would you mark me down for a "No" ? Wtf are you going on about ?.....are you going to fill out the stupid poll for me and everyone else so it says what you want it to?


You don't seem to know the abortion issue has been settled ….and certainly are having a slow go in here trying to get people to respond to whatever it is you want response to

 

Even little animals have rights, FoxHastings

 

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This "sentence" is incoherent garbled words....WTF does it mean:


""""Just hypothetical, but if a woman got repeated abortions at 10 weeks, over and over again, in an ideal world I think she should be punished with some sort of animal cruelty.""""


Are you going to try to prove a point about abortion using PANDA BEARS again? They had as much to do with abortion as animal cruelty...

 

Oh, that makes your position clear ….

 

War is also the killing of a human. I value human life, and shouldn't be forced to participate in the unnecessary killing of humans. Don't subsidize

war...…

 

No argument here.

 

Good evening, Ma'am

 

I'd prefer a 75% approval by both the total number of voting age people and the States if we're going to call the U.S.A. "A" Democracy rather than a Republic. Then let the political parties try and find candidates that can appeal to a super majority of the people.

 

At best ranked voting only results in acquiring a single answer to a complex issue, which in no way resolves the issue in a way acceptable to the majority while the outcome produced may only more hardened and intensive debate. The only way to put an end to debate of any issue would be to acquire 100% agreement, which is rarely, if ever, possible.
Could 1 selection from the choices be used for all successive choices?
For example *,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*,*, ?

 

"""that'd be weird""""


...and this thread isn't ?

Was there a point ?

 

Pity that I missed the discussion part but I will add my comments below;

Write-in, #, !0, H, I, J, M, P, Q, R, S, T, U, Z

My write-in vote is that there we should adopt the Canadian system where abortion is nothing more than a medical procedure and it should be up to doctors and patients to make the decisions and no one else.

Where Should The Cutoff Line for Abortions be Placed?:

#. Improve Availability of Contraceptives - Because this the simplest and most cost effective means of preventing abortions. LARC's (Long Acting Reversable Contraceptives) need to be FREE to all high at risk women.
!0. Nothing Needed Beyond Cutoff Point and Exceptions (Status Quo Option) - Because, as @FoxHastings points out, it is already settled law.
H. Viability (Week 24): Because that's when the law defines a fetus as becoming a child - Same as above.
I. Viability (Week 24): Because that's when a fetus is able to live outside the woman without artificial means - Same as above.
J. Thalamocortical Fibers (Week 29): Because a fetus cannot suffer feel or perceive pain without Functional Thalamocortical Fibers - There is no pain involved in abortion.
M. Mental Life (Week 29): Because fetal consciousness cannot and has not been observed to occur before this point - A fetus is not conscious during an abortion.
P. There should be Exceptions in cases of Rape - Same as above.
Q. There should be Exceptions if Health of the Mother is Threatened - Same as above.
R. There should be Exceptions if Life of the Mother is Threatened - Same as above.
S. There should be Exceptions for Certain Fetal Abnormalities - Same as above.
T. There should be Exceptions for Incest - Same as above.
U. There should be Exceptions based on Ability of Parent to Afford and Care for the Child - Same as above.
Z. Loan Program to Help Fund People Who Want to Get General Abortion - It should actually be fully funded via medical insurance.



The following were excluded because they already settled law.

N. Birth (Week ??): Because That is When a Baby No Longer Depends On Its Mother to Live
O. Birth (Week ??): Because Women Should Always Have the Right to do What They Want With Their Body ​

The following fall under the fallacy that there is pain during an abortion. There is none so these are nothing more than feel-good excuses and should be discarded.

K. Pain Perception Dvmnt (Week 23-29): Because a fetus cannot suffer feel or perceive pain withoutFunctional Thalamocortical Fibers
L. Pain Perception Dvmnt (Week 20-29): Because this is the period in which a fetus develops the structures necessary for pain perception
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There MUST be NO ban on abortions because they will still occur regardless of any stupid attempt to ban them. We learned this lesson with prohibition and DACA. Why keep on repeating the same mistake>

$. Where Abortions banned, State/Govmt/Taxpayer money used for any costs needed to keep pre-term infants alive​

 

here's my vote.

I. Viability (Week 24): Because that's when a fetus is able to live outside the woman without artificial means
#. Improve Availability of Contraceptives

P. There should be Exceptions in cases of Rape
Q. There should be Exceptions if Health of the Mother is Threatened
R. There should be Exceptions if Life of the Mother is Threatened
S. There should be Exceptions for Certain Fetal Abnormalities
T. There should be Exceptions for Incest

A decision that should be up to the woman in question.

OTOH, I also believe that the father should have a voice in her decision, PROVIDED he willingly commits to "enforceable" support thru to age of majority of the child. But ultimately it has to be up to the woman.​

 

I agree with everything except for "the father should have a voice"....how does the father do that?

He says, get an abortion and the woman has to?. He says, have the baby and the woman has to?

 

This.

Why should a woman need permission from the government to remove an unneeded growth? Especially one that threatens their life and will eventually cause them the greatest pain which a human can have? It's about the most absurd, and fundamental violation of somebody's rights I can think of and the most total and complete way of oppressing women in general there is. If men had the babies there wouldn't even be any discussion of the matter.

And I don't want a ranked poll because there's no other viable choice here but O. The soul is put into the child by God when it's born, that's why it cries. That's good enough for Augustine of Hippo until the Church decided that women weren't really human and it's good enough for me.

 

"""""Why should a woman need permission from the government to remove an unneeded growth?"""

That's what I meant by "" Well, the law should handle abortion as it handles every other LEGAL MEDICAL PROCEDURE.""'..(.Mind their own business)




If men could get pregnant there'd be a free abortion clinic on every corner....

 

I try to help.
I say it over and over.
I've suggested various paths to the same question, ref: #19 back a page
Did you try that suggestion? Even a moment?

Some people don't like broccoli. Moi has little use for it since it became a flood.
Why? Most of us, "Enough Broccoli Already" do not experience that bitter taste a few do.
We just don't like broccoli.
Moi just doesn't like ranked polls/voting.
Don't YOU not like anything? For no good reason?


Moi

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Multiple aspects here. When does the fetus become a being. The church says at conception, some say 12 weeks, some say 24 weeks, others say anytime up to birth. Then the question becomes when is it allowable to kill this being? When does it stop being a medical procedure and become murder?

A while back, I read an article on a girl who had a baby in an apartment bathroom, drowned the baby and tossed this out of a window. She was charged with murder. In my mind, there is little difference between this act and an abortion. If a doctor had killed this baby a couple of months earlier he would not have been charged. What is the difference? The outcome is the same.

So the question becomes if murder at 24 weeks is acceptable, why not a 2 year-old? Or even older. Most abortion supporters say it is OK because the brain is not developed. Scientist say the brain is not fully developed until about 25 years of age. So why can't you out a 24 year-old?