Rasmussen Poll: Half of US Sees Biden as Unfit to Be President

Wrong. Americans do not want to take away guns.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Two-thirds of Americans do not want to take away guns or stop women from having abortions. Two-thirds in both cases.

 

Biden's health...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/blog/meet-press-blog-latest-news-analysis-data-driving-political-discussion-n988541/ncrd1103456#blogHeader

Republicans are slinging poo while Joe is putting food on the table. Guess who wins?

 

They're not doing really stupid stuff like the bikers gathering in South Dakota and idiot 20-somethings hitting the beach in Florida. Trump turned too many people into stupidos.

British Columbia parks are spectacular and open.

Only someone who isn't surprised enough 20- and 30-somethings listened this piece of human flotsam...



... who says the virus is no big deal.

Maybe the "brave ... front line soldiers" should be demanding decent PPE. Why aren't respirators like these...



... being made available to workers? Why didn't the Orange Oaf make sure we have them in sufficient quantities by using the Defense Production Act? I can't think of anything more cowardly than someone working from home, pushing "front line soldiers" to take their chances, and then voting for Trump.

If we had done as well as Canada, we would have 200,000 covid dead, not more than half a million.

 

Where to begin? I don't intend to waste the whole morning re-chewing the same 'cud' we've chewed to pieces already.

1. The Constitution and its 27 Amendments say what they say -- nothing less, and, nothing more. If you don't like what it says, black-on-white, then get together with leaders in your political faction and amend it further, legally, so that it includes what you want. There is no provision for unearned, handout welfare programs to anyone written into our Constitution as it stands today, no matter how much your faction wishes there were....

2. If any customer-consortium, 'buyers-club', or any other association where people band together in a group to obtain better products and services at better prices, on better terms, is APPEALING to LOTS of people, then, logically, LOTS of people will join in! The danger of people 'bugging-out' of a really advantageous deal for them is virtually non-existent. Do you see how a nation of people who have been so screwed-over by Big Med and Big Pharma for DECADES would come RUNNING to join a single-payer band of healthcare insurance customers? Who would even WANT to quit? But, hell, if a tiny number wanted to quit, it wouldn't be the end of the world, Te. Better to let them leave and go fend for themselves, or just sign up for Medicaid, for free.

3. There is no "fair working wage" guaranteed to anyone, Te -- not in the history of mankind going all the way back to the beginning. Moreover, the whole concept of a "minimum wage", per se, is Leftist, wet-dream bullshit. Put simply: the 'minimum wage' goes up, and then so does inflation until the increased pay is completely and rapidly gobbled-up by guess who...? The same 'greedy corporations' your faction detests so much!

Each working person gets exactly what he/she is WORTH in a free-market economy. Nothing less, and nothing more. And if a person wants more compensation, or a different career-path in life, in a free-market country like the United States, he/ she is FREE to quit any job, take any job, demand more compensation, or, stop working altogether and simply start living on whatever subsistence welfare they can get out of the taxpayer-supported government. Since 2008, the 'welfare route' in the U. S. has been an increasingly easier one for more and more people to follow... and they do vote accordingly.

4. "Getting OLD is MANDATORY". Yes. Again, going all the way back to the beginning of mankind, this has been true. But only since the 1930's did we in the U. S. have an equally "MANDATORY" government-imposed thing like Social Security. Only since the late 1960's did we have a "MANDATORY" government-imposed thing like Medicare, and, Medicaid.

Now -- as @LangleyMan and others have suggested, as mankind develops more innovative technologies involving computers, software, robotics, and other breakthrough developments in product manufacturing and distribution, we must embrace the overall concept of human economic interaction so that millions upon millions of people are not turned into worthless "Proles" overnight (the underlying comparisons to so many "1984-esque" nightmare scenarios are endless).

This is where bright, younger, intelligent minds like those of ANDREW YANG come to the forefront, Te. You were the one who introduced him to me... remember? His ideas concerning a "Universal Basic Income" (UBI) in his book, "The War On Normal People" is one you may want to pore through if you haven't done so already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_on_Normal_People

Still, I don't believe that even 'new-blood' like Andrew Yang is pushing creation of a cushy, 'sit-on-your-worthless-ass-forever-and-do-nothing' culture in the United States, thus, his popularity among radical Democrats and other "Progressives" was somewhat diminished during the last election. But, I still have some hope, although the Biden/Harris wing of the Democrat Party may screw EVERYTHING up before a rational, intelligent person like Andrew Yang can effect any possible, beneficial changes.

Now -- have the 'proverbial' nice day, Te. We've had a vigorous snowstorm here along the Front Range in Colorado, and I've got 'stuff to do'.

. "Well, hell... it'll officially be SPRING in less than a week...."

 

Where we Conservatives and Leftists CAN agree is that we need to get weapons out of the hands of "criminals and crazies".

After that, our viewpoints differ SHARPLY....

 

While I rebel at the idea of the Constitution being something that any faction of "Justices" on the Supreme Court can change on whim, for any subjective reason at all, I do fully support the process of adding Amendments to it. That method really must be adhered to, at all costs, even though it can be difficult and time-consuming. After all, the Constitution HAS been successfully amended no less than 27 times -- so, it surely CAN be done if enough people WANT it done....

Are you familiar with the platform positions of a Democrat candidate in 2020 named Andrew Yang? Even though I'm a rock-solid, right-wing Conservative, Yang interests me a great deal, although I don't fully buy-into all his ideas... yet.

He wrote a book in 2018, entitled, "The War on Normal People", and you may want to examine it:
https://www.amazon.com/War-Normal-P...r+on+normal+people+yang&qid=1615739905&sr=8-1

 

And judging by our November election way more than half thought he was still a better choice than DIRTY DONALD!!!!

 

Well... enough more than half, and that met the requirement.

Don't worry, though, ol' Joe's already in the process of piling his 'progressive', liberal shitshow up in the dumpster of a totally uncontrolled Southern border.

The temptation to bring in all of those future Democrat voters is great to this hyperliberal mob -- if those alien peasants and criminals survive all the virus mutations that they've dragged along with them into OUR country....

 

the illegal alien peasants and criminal immigrants will be vaccinated before Americans.

 

I'm afraid the horse is way the hell long gone out of the barn with the general welfare clause used to justify a lot of legislation. How could we ever revert to strictly interpreting the Constitution?

Not sure why you're saying this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_minimum_wage

Business charges as much as it can to customers. Additional wage costs come out of profit.

How does this make sense when government puts its thumb on the scale with minimum wages and right-to-work laws?

Yet unemployment has been low, the LGBR has ticked up despite Boomers retiring--people seem inclined to work.

Medicare and Social Security are extremely popular programs. Are you hoping to improve upon their operation and benefits? Republicans have traditionally tried to cut benefits.

What do we do with people who no longer have paid work? Train or retrain them? What if they're older, poorly educated--does it even make sense to retrain them?

All of what you say is against a backdrop of some people being all but unemployable and a decision we make with and about them.

 

Propaganda Alert!

 

But what about all the infected ones who already tested positive and then were just turned loose by the hundreds at the Texas border? They probably didn't let their shirttails hit their ass before they were on their way to the barrios of San Antonio. Yeah, that's a population of a couple of million people -- a great place to stake out a new 'variant mutation' infection!

Muchas gracias, Señor Biden!

 

I would rather agree with you than disagree with you.

Yes, I know there have been governmental wage controls, and there's a long history of that, Langley, but the human history where there were no such things is MUCH longer... but I won't quibble with you about this.

And, no, Medicare and Social Security are very popular, and we can not (NOT) get rid of them. Because they were absolute MANDATORY programs, and have been in existence for many decades, it would not be fair to simply chop them off now. I know that.

All in all, I think all countries in the world are going to have to 'buffer' incomes to offset the avalanche of new automated methodologies and robotics coming very, VERY soon to the workplaces of all mankind. I don't hold Andrew Yang up as being the end-all, be-all in this new area, but, unlike other politicians who either ignore the whole thing, or, simply use welfare gimmicks to pander for votes, Yang seems to be taking an intelligent, somewhat reasoned approach.

My own first, faltering steps have been quite a failure so far. Hell, I can't even get any 'buy-in' to my concepts about 'single-payer' health insurance, and I had thought that this might (MIGHT) have been area of agreement between Conservatives and those liberals on the Left. I guess they just want everything completely for free, and I honestly don't see that happening for a very, very long time to come....

 

The govt. shouldn't be in the business of helping speculators generate housing bubbles and sell houses; if deducting interest is the reason they can afford their 1st house, then it's obvious they can't afford it. 20 and 30 year year mortgages are white collar criminal activities, same as 7 year car loans and 30% credit card interest rates.

 

I don't see much having been accomplished since giving women the vote and ending prohibition.

I've heard Yang and his ideas are a start in the right direction.

 

It helps, everyone does it. The idea of buying a house to help cut down on taxes has been going on for decades. People that are married or have children get tax breaks too.

 

Illegal immigration isn't even a big deal to younger Republicans...



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/12/17/views-of-the-major-problems-facing-the-country/

Illegal immigration isn't even important to Democrats.



Biden has a lot of room to wiggle with Democrats in immigration.

 

I agree with you. You really need to read slower.
I'm just saying that Democrats who want to ban certain weapons or are in favor of tougher gun laws mostly don't know what they are talking about. So I can pretty much dismiss anyone that talks about tougher fun laws. That included Biden who thinks that online gun sales are the problem. That includes Biden and his plan to ban "assault weapons" and high capacity mags or to make said guns require a machine gun license. That includes Biden and his plan to restrict people from owning guns due to thought crimes.

 

I no more believe those assessments than I did those of Trump's.

And please...Democrats slung poo while Trump was in office. Slinging poo is a characteristic of the political animal.

Any working person knows that no President puts food on their table either.

 

You mean the human history of SLAVE LABOR, Cy?

Corporations are a RECENT innovation which is why paying LIVING WAGES is also a RECENT solution to the problem of GREED inherent in this corporations. You cannot use the excuse that the Universe has existed for 13 billion years to JUSTIFY the EXPLOITATION of hardworking Americans.

Corporations do NOT have any Constitutional "rights" to EXPLOIT We the People.

I SUPPORT the concept of Single Payer, Cy!

I take issue with your IMPLEMENTATION of the concept of Single Payer.

Had you done any research you would KNOW that with Medicare EVERYONE is automatically a member at age 65 and you have to OPT OUT in order to NOT pay the PREMIUMS for Part B. If you choose to OPT IN again at an OLDER age you will be charged whatever the Part B PREMIUM will be at that time which will INEVITABLY be HIGHER than it was when you were FIRST eligible.

That is NOT a surcharge for a "pre-existing" medical condition, just a reality that the amount you will be paying will be HIGHER because you did NOT take advantage of the earlier LOWER premium.

Medicare WORKS as a Single Payer system because EVERYONE participates starting at age 65. Even if you opt out of Part B you are ALWAYS still enrolled in Part A.

Medicare and SS are BOTH part of the WELFARE of We the People as STIPULATED in the Constitution by the Founding Fathers.

The RIGHT to NOT be EXPLOITED and be PAID a Living Wage with Benefits falls under the 9th Amendment of UNENUMERATED rights.

We do NOT have an OBLIGATION to amend the Constitution to UPHOLD unenumerated rights. The recent example of the RIGHT to MARRY the CONSENTING adult of your CHOICE irrespective of gender proves that point.

HEALTHCARE is a RIGHT!

LIVING WAGES are a RIGHT!

They fall under the STIPULATION of the WELFARE of We the People and the UNENUMERATED rights in the Constitution.

FACTS matter.

 

If you are talking about facts, and I find no reason to yell, then don't just make stuff up.
Rights exist until someone takes them away. You do not have healthcare unless someone gives you healthcare therefore it isn't a right. Some doctor has to spend his or her time and resources to give you healthcare. Someone has to pay his or her hard earned money to pay some doctor to give you healthcare.

You are not born with a living wage. Someone has to give you a wage. In exchange for that wage, you must earn it. You must provide equal service to that employer. If you don't, they may find someone else that will. If they don't pay enough, you are free to find someone else that will. That is not the definition of "right" by any means. That's the definition of trade.

Facts do matter. I suggest you use them often.

 

The ONLY rights that exist are those that We the People DEFINE and UPHOLD for OURSELVES!

Note that the use of CAPS is for EMPHASIS only!

WE the People did DEFINE for ourselves the RIGHT to REGULATE corporations which means that We the People can UPHOLD our RIGHT to a LIVING WAGE via regulation of those corporations.

WE the People also DEFINED for ourselves the RIGHT to our own WELFARE which means that We the People can UPHOLD our RIGHT to a WELFARE via the PROMULGATION of HEALTHCARE. We have done so in the form or MEDICARE.

We took this CONCEPT of DEFINING and UPHOLDING our own WELFARE RIGHTS a step further when we DETERMINED that We the People had a RIGHT to NOT spend our declining YEARS eking out an existence in POVERTY.

So you are WRONG when you MISTAKENLY believe that someone is "born" with "rights".

Our rights exist because WE define and uphold them.

That you were UNAWARE of these FACTS has now been REMEDIATED.

Have a nice day!

 

Ah, there's one point we CAN agree on -- "The ONLY rights that exist are those that We the People DEFINE and UPHOLD for OURSELVES!"

And, because the only foundational platforms upon which "We the People" exist as a sovereign nation are those within are our Federal Government Constitution, we need to adhere closely to the language in those carefully-constructed, guiding documents.

There simply is no (NO) authorization for a "welfare" system in the Constitution, Te. I know you wish it otherwise, but it just ain't THERE. I know we're at 'loggerheads' on this issue, but there's simply no basis for your idea that the Constitution authorizes, or even SUGGESTS, that government should provide indefinite support through any kind of 'welfare' system.

To successfully press your idea, I suggest that you write a convincing rebuttal to Post #343 in this thread, by @Talon . I cannot improve on what Talon has written in that post, and his opinion is undeniably anchored in facts -- which all of us regard highly.

*** Are you familiar with Joseph Haydn's "London Symphonies"? Take 24 minutes out of your life and listen to George Szell conduct the Cleveland Orchestra's performance of Symphony Nr. 93:

I'll guarantee it it'll brighten your day and get your week off to a good start! Cheers! ***

 

Maybe. They have a vote, however, and I think a better understanding might help.

I wonder how many folks know how few people are murdered by long guns. Maybe we could all agree there's no real benefit gained by having a long gun registry. It would be a start, IMO.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

I doubt he really believes they're a problem and is just going along with something that won't make much difference.

 

You are WRONG because it is STIPULATED in Article I, Section 8, Clause 1, Cy!

To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To PROVIDE for the GENERAL WELFARE is EXPLICITLY stated right there and no amount of EQUIVOCATION on your part or anyone else is going to make it DISAPPEAR.

Hamilton and the Supreme Court have UPHELD the RIGHT of Congress to SPEND taxes on WELFARE programs for We the People which is WHY we have SS and Medicare.

FACTS matter and no amount of DENIALISM on your part can change what is STIPULATED in the Constitution.