Religion is your Slave Master.

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  1. Validation Boy

    Validation Boy Well-Known Member

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    Crown= Chronus, El, Father time, death.
     
  2. Validation Boy

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    Nope. Pretty sure your family and community and govt instilled those virtues in you.

    The mythology you learned simply exist to reinforce this slaves mentality.
     
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    Nope, and in fact I lived with a father who both emotionally and physically abused me, so that would eliminate the family of being responsible for my being virtuous, or for my traveling down the righteous path. I hung out with the lowest of the low gang of misfits throughout my high school years to where we got in serious trouble more times than not, so that would leave my community out of the virtue factor as well. And you must have thrown that govt in there as being responsible for my being virtuous as a joke, right? No, I lived life and grasped onto the moral and successful portion of my life by accepting GOD into my life and by being faithful to the HIGER power through experiencing life all on my own.

    I know not of what this mythology you espouse, but you're barking up the wrong fruitful tree when you mention slavery of any kind. You should try labeling your slave mentality onto the true welfare slaves, you know, those poor leeches who are forever dependent on big government.
     
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    and when england got a hold of it and wanted supreme rule in their fight for jurisdiction determined that the crown was the top of the head hence the highest part of the body, hence the creation of the trust called the "crown" and crown lands, along with all the secret underlying trusts and compacts using law that no one or nothing else has the recognized status to obtain.

    we have a commander in-chief, look that one up then you will know why its nearly impossible to sue while in office and when out of office well thats too bad they are no longer part of the organization! Nice circular logic, I mean law.
     
  5. Validation Boy

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    Decline, Descent, Death, de
     
  6. Validation Boy

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    Your abusive father did give you great reason to look for invisible help in the form of your false God.

    And trust me, you're a total slave. You consider your monetary (MOON-etary) success a gift from God?

    Your materialistic fruitfulness? Stop making me laugh, hypocrite.
     
  7. Libhater

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    Yeah, that invisible help as you put it certainly was more beneficial to my psyche than the palpable beatings I received from my old man.

    Where did I say anything about having a monetary success?

    Where did I say anything about materialistic fruitfulness?
     
  8. apoptosis

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    From etymologyonline:
    "According to Cicero derived from relegere "go through again, read again," from re- "again" + legere "read" (see lecture (n.)). However, popular etymology among the later ancients (and many modern writers) connects it with religare "to bind fast" (see rely), via notion of "place an obligation on," or "bond between humans and gods." Another possible origin is religiens "careful," opposite of negligens."

    Goats are not lambs. In the bible they are are usually metaphors for two entirely different types of people.

    Don't you mean Horus? That is usually who people try to use to draw that parallel.
    Ra was not sacrificed on a cross, nor was he resurrected after three days. You have been reading too much Acharya S, but I think you are confusing the stories.

    The words "sun" and "son" are only homophones in English.

    Elohim is just the plural version of El, which is just a generic word for God. Saturn worship is forbidden in the bible. The Hebrews were specifically forbidden from revering the star of Saturn, which later became known as the star of David.

    The modern Grim Reaper comes from the black plague era, and is no way related to El or Saturn which are two different things from two different eras of human history. The closest thing in the bible to the grim reaper is the angel of death which is not the same as God.

    The connections that Blavatsky and others like Acharya S draw are tenuous at best. They are interesting at first glance, but they fall apart under scrutiny. Research Acharya S's claims about the winter solstice and the resurrection, and then try to find an independent resource that confirms her translations about the gods and demigods she tries to force into the narrative. It appears she just made most of it up.
     
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    Religion? Its Actual meaning?

    Depends on who you ask. The Pastafarians have an interesting answer.
     
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    Do you know that there is no D in Greek language?
     
  11. Validation Boy

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    I don't know anything about acharya s.

    But I do know everything about human language is a deception, and a mind snare.

    It is set up to perpetuate hierarchy and control of the many by the few.

    That's why "official" etymologies are meaningless lies.
     
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    You should check her out...she brought many of these concepts into popular discourse. You might have heard some of this second hand from people like Jordan Maxwell or something.

    What you are experiencing is known as apophenia.
     
  13. Validation Boy

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    Against my instincts, I actually attempted to look up your predictably nonexistent word.

    The English language is the whoring language of esoteric order and sorcery.

    The whole point of the OP is this=

    Religion, featuring either benevolent or malicious gods, is fundamental to the perpetuity of authoritarianism, behind whatever socio-political mask it presents itself.

    Its psychological pre-programming of our future behavior. Absolute control. Prison of the mind.

    Bernays, nephew of Freud, spelled some of it out for us in his writings.
     
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    And yet, it was a Religion which codified the most Liberal of all ideas, a society built upon Natural Law, emphasizing individual value, liberty and self-responsibility.

    What you call "Authoritarianism" is really one side to a different kind of struggle, one of the constrained vs. the unconstrained.
     
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    No need to get snide. It is a real word.
    Apophenia /æpɵˈfiːniə/ is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

    Why English? Sumerian or Assyrian would have been a better choice because many of the concepts of the esoteric traditions find their roots there. Even Hebrew would have been better because it has numbers and layered concepts attached to each letter/word. Your connections in English just come across as misunderstandings (like the sun/son connection for example).

    I disagree. There is nothing inherently politically authoritarian about most religions (there are exceptions like Confucianism). The Hebrews asked for a King against the warnings of God for example:
    I Samuel 8:
    6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”

    10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

    Doesn't sound like a book that supports political authoritarianism to me. Also consider that all of the warnings about the last days say that the rulers of the earth will conspire against the people. Again, doesn't really seem to support what you are saying.

    Also, there is nothing inherently wrong with psychological preprogramming as you seem to suggest. Kids are going to be filled with values one way or another, and this "I'm okay, you're okay" bull(*)(*)(*)(*) doesn't seem to lead to a highly functioning society.

    What Bernays demonstrated was that you could implant ideas in people's heads and make them think it was their own opinion, and it functions without religion just fine. In fact, you could make the case that it has been used to demonize Christianity in mainstream entertainment since the 90's.
    Check out the Century of the Self if you are interested in Bernays. It is really long, but worth the watch if this type of thing interests you.
     
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    Ye gods what a load of unsubstantiated eye wash. Trouble is it would take me about two hours to get all the appropriate sources together and another two hours to thorooghly demolish all the preceeding horse crap. And I'm told rather bluntly that I shouldn't lay may pearls before swine.
     
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    Is this directed at me?
     
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    No, its for me. He stalks my threads in adoration and jealousy.
     
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    Oh gotcha...that must be flattering.
     
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    Don't forget that the bible was first written down in Babylonian (the baby lion) captivity in 700BC. Thousands of years after its characters allegedly existed.
    For definitively political purposes.

    And also, if you can get people to live life for a god, they are essentially psychologically imprisoning themselves.

    Look at Apocalypto by Mel Gibson. Its the classic scam=
    You guys are making (insert deity) really mad. But I can help, I'm a prophet.
    Make me king and do as I say, or the big sky deity will devour the other big sky deity, and it will be the end of the world!
     
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    Again, you aren't doing yourself any favors by confusing languages. Babel (roughly) is what Hebrews called the city. The word for baby is tinok. The word for lion is ari. Babylonian just sounds remotely similar to English words.
    Also you are confusing concepts again. What was written down in captivity was the Talmud, not the Torah and Nevi'im. There were two versions of the Talmud written during that time, the Babylonian version, and the Jerusalem version. They were largely the same except for some minor details. You are grasping at things that seem suggestive of an argument, but if you actually look into your claims you will see that these issues don't really exist, or you are conflating different events.

    What was the political purpose of being a Christian with nearly no political power and the constant threat of death for hundreds of years before it became the state religion of Rome? That seems like a pretty stupid plan for gaining political power. What seems more likely is that once a religion becomes popular under a strong government, some jackass figures out how to hijack it to control the people who follow that religion.

    Most native American religion is nothing like that. Again, some jackass will figure out a way to manipulate people using what is available. If people believe in nothing, then you can manipulate that as well. Really your complaints seem more like a critique of concentrated state power than of religion. I already posted what the bible has to say about kings and state power, and it does not support the case you are attempting to make.
     
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    Torah/Taurus/bull god/moon

    Creator/tor/Taurus/bull god/moon
     
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    Religion was an opportunistic money making business from the beginning.
    The Churches, all of them are among the Richest corporations in the world.
    If everyone disowned them, stopped paying to pray; the world would be far better off in so many ways I cannot begin to list them all.
     
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    Obviously pointing out the meaninglessness of the pattern isn't going to work, so can you please explain what connection you are trying to make, and what you think it means and why? If you are going to go back to astrotheology, remember that the Torah was written during Aries, not Taurus, and what is the connection between taurus and the moon?
     
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    How do you explain religions that existed in societies that didn't even have money? Or why do some religions prohibit usury?
    Are you aware that without religion, there would have been no Renaissance, and reading and writing would have been lost in Europe after the fall of Rome? Not everything fits neatly into overly simplistic narratives.
     

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