Religious affiliation poll

Tell me, how are they able to tell if someone is your sister or not, yet they are not able to tell if you are related to a Ape? Why one and not the other?

Its unbelievably hysterical how so many people think they have it all figured out and are smarter than the vast majority of scientists, even in their own field of study.

 

Morals DO come from religion. Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Norse, Mongolians, Indians, etc. all have religions that held stories and messages that taught the difference between good and evil, moral and immoral. Have you ever read from any of the aforementioned civilization's religious texts? How about the Code of Hammurabi? That's thousands of years of evidence, right there.

All religions have varying definitions for what's moral. What is moral in Islam could be found immoral in Judaism or Christianity (such as killing the infidels in the name if jihad).

You have no idea what separation of Church and State means... We have the freedom to practice or not practice any religion we want and the government shall not adopt one religion for the country. It is not freedom FROM religion. It is illegal to prevent someone from practicing the religion of their choice and displaying items depicting that religion. Activist atheists would ban religion from the public stage, remove the word God from printed money, remove the word God from the Pledge of Allegience, and remove religious items from the public square, such as public crosses.

 

Because DNA can tell us if we're a human or an ape... and we're found to be human.

I know what you mean...

 

There are so many varieties of hominids that it is silly to say they were all created from scratch with their own particular DNA.

 

A natural force of attraction between two matters, the more mass the more force. Easily measure and highly predictable. It's how we navigate through space.

 

Sure I can decide how the existence of a being be proven. Present him.

Yeah he spoke and caused lots of things to happen and made sure everyone knew he did. He seems awfully shy since we have been able to accurately record events in history.

 

As an atheist I would love to hear what morals you hold that are unique to and indicative of Christians which you believe I do not hold. Not faith but morals.

 

While I am not an anti-theist, and that seems to please you, I am deeply opposed to scientific illiteracy masquerading as skepticism and contrarianism. The evidence to support the theory of evolution is overwhelming. The evidence to support God is non-existent. One relies on faith, the other on evidence. Evidence is NOT proof, but evidence also definitely does NOT rely on faith.

 

Why is it necessary to follow an "organized" religion? I was raised in the Lutheran church, but am no longer a member of any "organized" religion. Why not respect the beliefs of all without criticism? My lady is a Pagan,I have friends who are Wiccan,Christian, Agnostic, and Atheist. When I attend ceremonies in a church, I act accordingly. The same goes when I attend ceremonies of those who have different beliefs. It harms me not at all. Personally, I believe in respecting others until they show they no longer deserve it, helping people without expecting anything in return, and in general,being a decent person. I need no religion to tell me to do these things. Do I believe that there is "hereafter"? I don't know. If there is, there is. If not,oh well. All I can do is live my life the way I think is best, and let the chips fall where they may.

 

Except you're still calling them hominids, when in reality they're probably just different species of apes. We have thousands upon thousands of different plants and animals living on this planet right now, at the same time. Why is it so hard to believe that the many varieties of "hominids" (which really isn't that many, in comparison to the amount of species there are and that have been) weren't created from scratch?

 

He's already presented himself through Jesus. How did people respond? In fact, how did people respond, when Moses, Noah or David said that God was speaking to them? They were laughed at. Jesus was persecuted and crucified. So, if He did present himself and said that he was God, how would you react? Despite this, God has promised that to look upon him in the Earthly realm would welcome certain death.

Maybe you should try listening?

 

Again, you're missing the point. Religion has been around for thousands of years. They've been as much a part of society from day 1 as government has. Religion brought us morals... thus, morals have been taught since day 1. Religion has touched every modern-day nation, thus morals have touched every modern-day nation. You're a product of a nation with a history in morals, brought about by religion.

 

And here I thought you were one of the more tolerant... Seems complements results in backlash around here. I'll have to remember that for future discussions.

I didn't make the comment to suggest that your brand of non-anti-theist atheism "pleases me," I made the comment, because I thought you were tolerant and that was nice to see. What would please me is if more people weren't so arrogant to think that just because someone disagrees with you, that they must be stupid.

I'll say it again... I've studied Evolution and Anthropology. Probably more than the rest of you... from what I can see. All you do is spout the same crap about "observed facts" or "observed evidence," while continuously pointing to the same damn things... the fossil record and DNA. Unfortunately, neither of these "observed facts" can be tested, in truth. DNA can tell you the genetic makeup of an organism, but the fact that every living thing has DNA (even plants), should tell you that DNA is just a building block for all living things... that's it. It doesn't suggest we all came from the same single-cell organism that just appeared out of nowhere. Meanwhile, the fossil record has a plethora of dilapidated skeletal remains, skulls, skull fragments, teeth, etc., with no clue to evolution, since there's always going to be a missing link - since you can't see evolution happen.

It doesn't matter to you that dating methods are unreliable for the suggested theories on when the Earth began or when the earliest hominid appeared. It also doesn't matter to you that we have chimps, gorillas and orangutans living today that have similar skeletons to that of hominids. It doesn't occur to you that these supposed "hominids" could actually just be different species of extinct great apes. This is all beyond the realm of possibility... but evolution, oh yes... evolution is overwhelmingly supported by evidence... The same evidence that could point to different species of extinct great apes.

Your belief in evolution is based on faith - nothing more. Good show.

 

Yes and with these key elements well known, it is still just a theory. The point is just because Evolution is also just a theory does not mean its incorrect or a ridiculous concept all together.

 

He said absolutely nothing that was intolerant, he simply disagreed with the Creationist point of view. This is one of the key problems with Religion and Religious people, they get so upset if you even say their God likely does not exist, to them you are being intolerant just by saying that. Religious people believe they have special privilege over others to not be made fun of ever and be the only ones allowed to preach their personal beliefs on school property, anything less is supposed "religious intolerance".

This guy says he is the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ, im sure you will just laugh at him and close the video same way I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwyFvIsoAnw

 

I associate myself with no religion.

 

Great, only one of the options was actually religious yet you still chose other? Mind Explaining instead of just being extremely vague for no apparent reason?

 

If I put Agnostic all of a sudden half the people think I'm not an Atheist. If I pick Atheist, half the people think I'm not an Agnostic. It's easier just to say I have no religion.

 

No him, GOD. Present him.

Unsubstantiated stories are not evidence. As I said curious how since the advent of accurately recorded history God is no longer around.

All ears and eyes, got some links to God presenting himself, would love to hear his voice.

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You're dodging the question, try again

As an atheist I would love to hear what morals you hold that are unique to and indicative of Christians which you believe I do not hold. Not faith but morals.

 

I'm pretty sure he can speak for himself, but I took his comment as an "i don't give a crap about pleasing you, and you're an idiot." Perhaps you didn't read his response and are just jumping all over me. I'm sorry, but have you even read what you and other atheists have posted on this and other threads about religious people and arguments against evolution? You people (atheists) are, by far, the most intolerant people I've debated. You've gotten upset over my arguing that evolution is a silly theory which can't be proven, tested or observed objectively.

I've never heard this before "Religious people believe they have special privilege over others to not be made fun of ever and be the only ones allowed to preach their personal beliefs on school property, anything less is supposed 'religious intolerance'." Ever... Religious people have argued against evolution and through progressives, you got it taken out of schools, when it was there prior to the teaching of evolution. Talk about tolerance...

You're right. This guy is deluded. Here's another vid for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgnNHJ2zQc

Jesus would not behave in this way, wouldn't dress in suits and envelop himself in celebration with song, etc. He would proclaim to be Jesus, not "greater than Jesus," and his followers wouldn't trash statues of Jesus (which makes no sense). He's a fraud, that's all.

What I'm concerned about, is why you're watching Bill Maher, of all people...

 

So what? So is electricity, do you even know what theory means in scientific inquiry? We can measure and observe gravity and predict it quite accurately. Show me how we do that with supernatural beings.

 

Nothing would be good enough for you.

Everything you've read are "unsubstantiated stories," right? So perhaps he never presented himself. Guess we'll never know. Perhaps he just speaks through people. What do you have to say for the people who've died, only to come back from death to tell a story of Heaven? Even children have experienced this.

Doubting is not listening. Your narrow-mindedness deafens and blinds you.

Funny... you just hacked up my response so it looks like I'm disregarding your question. Here it is again, so you can plainly see WHY you have morals:

"Again, you're missing the point. Religion has been around for thousands of years. They've been as much a part of society from day 1 as government has. Religion brought us morals... thus, morals have been taught since day 1. Religion has touched every modern-day nation, thus morals have touched every modern-day nation. You're a product of a nation with a history in morals, brought about by religion."

To conclude, we probably have similar morals, but they're all brought about by an upbringing in a society that has been touched and based on religious principles. The only difference is that you and people like you have rejected religion and are attempting to change society into a religious-less one.

 

No, nothing is not good enough and so far you have offered nothing.

According to the myths he did up until we could accurately record human events it seems.

Platitudes and bromides do not make your case. I am completely open whereas you seem to not be so open.

Because it is a very simple question, just give me a list of the morals you believe you hold which are unique to and indicative of Christians which you believe I as an atheist do not hold.
Here it is again, so you can plainly see WHY you have morals:

Mine have nothing to do with religion and still waiting for you to list the ones you hold which you believe I do not hold.

And my rejecting a belief in supernatural beings upsets you so? Why? You believe you are more moral than I because of it, please explain how. And the difference is I will stand up and defend your right to engage in whatever religious beliefs you hold, as long as you do it on your dime and your own time while you want to force your faith upon society and into our government which includes me.

 

I chose Atheist even though I don't believe it's a religion.

It's a shame that Proud Atheist wasn't an option.

 

Lol did you not read all of the options? I have a special option up there which I myself even choose which specifically says "I am agnostic with a heavy atheist lean" that way you can admit your agnosticism without trying to shy away from atheism.