It's really quite simple. To have a religious belief is to refuse the very idea of death. You talk about and use it in sentences but if there is an afterlife for everyone even the worst of us then there is no such thing as death which means technically speaking there is no such thing as life there is just existence in this world and the next. True or false?.....or Both?
Ok let me expand on this. Is it difficult for God to move from the other side to this one and back again? If there is no such thing as death (and there cannot be as long as there is an afterlife which is an absurd term since without death there is technically no such thing as life) then what was the sacrifice made by Jesus? Almost everyone I know who could never join the military say it's because they are afraid of being killed. Death is among the reasons we call our fellow citizens service a sacrifice but would we still think of it as the same thing or would it have the same meaning if we just came back to life after three days? How many people here would join the military if you knew you would just respawn if you got killed? Because there is no such thing as death I submit that Jesus sacrifice is trivial and therefore so is the religion attached to it.
who? "If jesus died for our sins, what happens now, he didnt stay dead?" ie... what sacrifice? The only one, i can see is that millions have died, with his name being slung around and he was not the dude people thought he was, ever! each nite we practice death and awaken; the conscious is out procreating is respawn but not a one, is coming back with the minds we have now. What more of a sacrifice did jesus do than Darwin, Newton, Einstein or even you own teachers? (giving of self for others to know) Jesus, did not die or he would not have walked away, after three days. It's basic common sense But to the wingnuts that believe jesus died (for our sins), then why are people still lying, misleading, causing murder and just walking sobs? How could a ted haggart even exist, if jesus was 'god' itself?
Both, depending on perspective. When 'awake' each conscious life, can enable life and their own, to live longer, by choice. When not awake, each are alive in what 'we did' while awake. Being aware is not necessarily being alive. ie.... a dog is alive and if procreated, will live into the next generation Another example is Darwin; HE won! (most everyone on the globe understands an evolution, now)
The main goal of religious existence is to become a zombie. That's pretty much true for all religions. Once you become a zombie you can live forever in heaven, Valhalla, paradise, or the happy hunting grounds.
Somehow both - what's impossible the same time! Every existance came out of a situation of notexistance - what means also it came without any reason because there was always a first moment and a first moment, a first reason, has no reason - so we can say 'our universe exists without reason' - but nevertheless it is reasonable! We say: god created everything out of nothing. So: god makes existance - while we don't know the same time wether god is existing or not existing - but we don't know why something is existing and not only nothing is existing. Nothing needs nothing - but everything needs something. It would be [not] reasonable if nothing would exist - but it is not in this way. I am here - so not nothing is here. It seems to be sometimes somehow confusing - but nevertheless the world is reasonable. God is logos - god is word - but we need lots of words and we don't understand "the logos", "the word", "god" really good - on the other side: he's our father. He will "forgive" us that we are his children. We have still to learn a lot. We have a lots of descriptions: "god is truth" - "god is love" - "in god we trust" and so on and so and so on. Hope and love are very very important - but in the end we know nothing - what's indeed the sitiuation where we came from and where we will go back - that's the situation where the universe or all multiverses came from. And what said god? "I am what I am - I am what will be". He is! Are we? Will we be? So we are living now - what's the same as to say we are dying now - and without any doubt one day - no one knows the day and the hour - we will arrive in our notexistance [again]. But came not everything out of notexistance, out of nothing? So we are for sure going home - whenever, wherever our home might be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-QesPrwAc
In no way shape or form am I trying to be insulting but I'm not sure I have a clue what you just said to me. It seems you are saying that all of existance appears to be made for us because we exist in it. Allow me to submit the following. “Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, ‘This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!’ Douglas Adams - - - Updated - - - Hmm, I'm not sure I could handle all that groaning for eternity.
A-a-a-a-and; That place ruins your opening post, which, is--kind-of--a thread killa! That would be the worst and, eh?
How should you if you started fIrst? It's a very short summary of wide thoughts. Sounds nice - but this I did not say. Nevertheless I like the idea that everyone is his own purpose ... on the other side ... Who? Douglas Addams? ... ah - the hitchhiker ... Good grieve - why thought I about the Addams if he's an Adams? Your "problem" is in this case maybe: Why are you able to read the thoughts of Mr. Douglas Adams? Or in general: What does someone really need if he likes to understand something? A word or the word of god what's also called "creation" and exists everywhere all around and in us? Or some other words like: "How long will the poodle need to find out that he's an Adams?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6muC67i-a3s
I don't remember now. This happens occasionally. And I never use the little graphics thingys. I take no responsibility for that post.
