Repealing and replacing Obamacare: What kind of healthcare plan do you support?

Finally, an opinion...took a bit but we got it out of ya
lets start with this.

I take it your a libertarian?

 

Does that imply your prejudices can never be validated?

 

And if you were suddenly and unexpectedly stricken with Parkinson's Disease, you'd be screwed. Also, it's not the government pushing medicine. It's Big Pharma.

 

hint: at the end of the day, we're all screwed.

 

Come again..your the anarchist, how you gonna tell someone else to move.
Iv said it before I'm good, I got the VA. Single payer or not.

 

The problem is people want preexisting conditions to be protected, some polls suggesting as many as 80% of Americans want to keep preexisting conditions protected. Whatever the actual number of support is, neither the president nor congress have showed they're willing to repeal Obamacare without replacing it with another national healthcare system. It's one of those things, once people have it they don't want to lose it.. but people are still unsatisfied with the current system, and rightfully so. We're paying more than any other country, yet we ranked 38th in the world in healthcare coverage. Removing the current system and leaving a more market run plan instead of a government plan is an idea, but it is not the idea that our current government is working on.

The subject is about a replacement plan because that is what the current government is planning on doing (and by current government I mean president Trump and the current elected officials in the house and senate). Since that is what they are planning, that is what we are discussing. If you would like to express your grievances with this plan, that can be a part of the discussion too, but understand that we are only talking about a replacement plan because that is what our government is currently working on.

 

It absolutely is true, and it is you that brought up drivers licenses. I can not obtain a license and I can remain compliant with the law. Such is not the case with Obamacare. The mandate is a terrible imposition on our Liberty, and it's not long for this earth, thank goodness!

 

Yes, it's exactly socialized healthcare.

 

No it doesn't, and yes I did.

 

Your scenario is nothing more than fear mongering.

 

Socialized medicine is a system in which the government owns the means of providing medicine. Britain is an example of socialized system, as, in America, is the Veterans Health Administration. In a socialized system, the government employs the doctors and nurses, builds and owns the hospitals, and bargains for and purchases the technology. I have literally never heard a proposal for converting America to a socialized system of medicine. And I know a lot of liberals.

Single-payer health care is not socialized medicine. It's a system in which one institution purchases all, or in reality, most, of the care. But the payer does not own the doctors or the hospitals or the nurses or the MRI scanners. Medicare is an example of a mostly single-payer system, as is France. Both of these systems have private insurers to choose from, but the government is the dominant purchaser. (As an aside here, unlike in socialized medicine, "single-payer health care" has nothing in particular to do with the government. The state might be the single payer. But if Aetna managed to wrest 100 percent of the health insurance market, then it would be the single payer. The term refers to market share, not federal control.)


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/health_reform_for_beginners_th_1.html

It is not socialized healthcare, medicine or socialized anything.

 

Hold on. I'll ask Trump. He's busy.

 

Right, they don't own the industry, but the government grants our access to healthcare and medication. They can decide whether or not we receive treatment without a doctor's input. But I'm not going to split hairs here. We'll just agree to disagree.

 

No, the real would seem to be that you are having a problem following your own posts within a thread. It's very easy to go back and feel in the gaps but that takes effort. But not to fret, I did it for you.

The only dishonesty here seems to be based on your lack of being able to follow your own posts and then blaming your shortcoming on another. I would also suggest you use a dictionary and look up stupid as your usage reflects badly upon yourself.

Complete thought, where? Your replies always seem to be in fragments and rhetoric with no thought as to context at all much less logical reasoning. Now if I have missed something, please point me in the right direction.

 

Nope that is also false...Those with money can still be "scene first" or receive Superior treatment.

 

Return to pre Obama care system

 

There's nothing false in what I said. And I'm not fine with being mandated to take a lesser level of care than rich people.

 

So you enjoy giving Insurance company's money with no guarantee of payment when something catastrophic happens?
You enjoy 20% of Americans not being insurable? whether they had money or not?
You enjoyed when doctors would straight lie to you because they knew you could not afford the procedure you actually needed and handed out placebo's?
HMO's?

[video=youtube;2jZVZc5qEBw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jZVZc5qEBw[/video]

 

I don't think anyone is...but that's just life In the USA..if you don't like it, make more money.
What do you think it would be like in a free market system...hell any system, those with means always have an advantage.
Unless you went to a socialized or communist system.

 

Sure it is because there's no such thing as a Delaware Corporation.

 

We had a free market system until 2010 and it worked fine. I could chose any number of insurance options in a number of prices ranges. Now I get the choice of (*)(*)(*)(*)ty and (*)(*)(*)(*)ty lite insurance. It will be even worse under single pay socialized healthcare.

 

Sure I'll point you in the right direction. Grab your neck real hard and try freeing your cranium from your rectum.

I told you why I don't respond to inline quotes. I showed you how the usage distorts original context using your own post.

Now, if knowing the what, and knowing the why, and receiving evidence is not sufficient for you to decide to behave honestly then put me on ignore.

 

To Obama care yes. Before I had a policy that was 72 dollars out of my paycheck. Now that I was dropped and had to shop it on my own the same level of insurance is nearly 300 a month.

Government is never the answer.

 

That adds no clarity at all to the rhetoric of before. Just how does adding Delaware to the equation change anything? Except, to make it pretty obvious there is no clue as to what incorporating in Delaware means and it's not what you are trying to imply.

 

Divert tax revenue from the political class and its cronies to the American people in the form of large vested healthcare savings accounts. End the need for complex legislation and central planning.