Republican party needs to attract more black voters

I state nothing of the kind. I have no reason to worry why blacks don't vote for republicans. You seem to feel that the senior republican in congress telling the world that we would be a better country today if we had only elected a man as president in '48 who would have undoubtedly done all in his power to STOP civil rights has no impact on the voting patterns of anyone... good for you. Again, blacks vote for democrats. If you don't like it, fix it.

Reagan DID chose to go to Philadelphia, MS for his very first campaign stop in 1980 and talk to a nearly all white crowd about "states rights", but again, if you think that had nothing to do with blacks continuing to vote for democrats, who am I to care one little bit. As I said, blacks voting overwhelmingly for democrats is not MY problem, it's yours. If you want to believe that Lott extolling a racist Strom Thurmond, and Reagan's southern strategy had nothing to do with that, great. The onus is on you and your party to figure out how ti fix it, or even if you want to. I could give a rat's rectum.

 

Sorry, but conservatives just need to attract more American voters. Those who are black are certainly welcome. Those who prefer to align themselves with racists and socialists can stay with the Democrats and keep wondering why there are no jobs and Washington doesn't care.

 

Pathetic.

Republican voter suppression is no secret to anyone except for those with limited thinking faculties and whose eyes are glued to the lying Fo卐 network. Restricting early voting for those whose work schedules are inflexible, needless voter ID requirements, blatant misinformation to the public in tv ads, dumping of ballots, phone jamming, and voter fraud are the norm in Republican election campaigns. Gerrymandering is worse of all - small wonder why the majority of voters are Democrats while they failed to take over the House of Representatives.

 

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And if you want to state for the record that reason blacks don't vote for Republicans today is because of Trent Lott I am more than happy to watch you publicly state that and then watch everyone laugh.

Well that was entirely the reason he was brought into the discussion, if you agree with me he has nothing to do with it fine.

Yes the largest state fair in the state of MS and a routine jumping in place for politicians, and it was the county fair where John Glenn and Michael Dukakis also spoke and of course Jimmy Carter kicked his off in Tuscumbia AL the national HQ of the KKK.

Now here is the part of which you speak

"I believe in states' rights; I believe in people doing as much as they can for themselves at the community level and at the private level. And I believe that we've distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended in the constitution to that federal establishment. And if I do get the job I'm looking for, I'm going to devote myself to trying to reorder those priorities and to restore to the states and local communities those functions which properly belong there."

Can you explain the racist part to me?

So you are now claiming that blacks do not vote for Republicans now because 30 years ago Reagan spoke at the Neoshuba County Fair?

Can you please stop talking out both sides of your mouth.

If you want to state for the record that reason blacks don't vote for Republicans today is because of Trent Lott I am more than happy to watch you publicly state that and then watch everyone laugh.

 

Polls are open 12 hours or more a day and the "limiting" that you are whining about is from 20 someodd days to 10 days. The government has no obligation and a citizen has no right to demand they be pandered to because they can't seem, to get to a polling place over 10 12 hour days.

And I see you dodged what I posted try again

So you support districts created based on race which is what happens and Republicans oppose. The city in which I grew up and live next to, under federal court order, has 7 city council districts as opposed to the previous at large city commission. Any vote of significance, budget or tax or other significant issue has to have at least one of the purposely created black districts to vote for it in order to pass. In other words blacks have more voting power in the city than whites. So spare me the Republicans are the ones suppressing votes and denying equal representations.

 

The need for the homogeneous GOP to diversity is an existential imperative under representative governance.

They are not going to attract that increasingly diverse American electorate by maligning them as hapless dupes or selfish freeloaders, contriving stratagems to impede their voting, or demanding abject fealty to them.

Black, Hispanic, and other minorities are no less capable of assessing which party better represents them than are angry white guys.

To the extent that the Democratic Party finds it advantageous to appeal to the increasingly-diverse populace, the GOP's elite must pander to the confederacy upon which their Party's survival now depends, but they cannot afford to deny that those ol' boys are vanishing:

 

And how does the Democrat party better represent them? How does that manifest itself?

 

for the record... there is no ONE reason why blacks don't vote for republicans. There are many.... like a thousand cuts. You want to claim that NONE of the things that have been mentioned could possibly cause the groundswell of blacks voting for democrats, and I would certainly agree that no ONE thing caused it to happen. Lots of things caused it to happen.

 

one simple way is by electing them... and having them in positions of authority and influence within the party organization. Look at the numbers of black senators and congressmen over the years by party. Look at the makeup of the DNC Executive committee versus the RNC executive committee. Rainbow versus old pale white.

 

As I said laughable, why didn't they stop voting Democrat when Carter spoke in the city where the national HQ of the KKK was located? Or when Glenn or Dukakis spoke in Philadelphia MS?

No wonder you have always refused to give an answer in the past.

 

Do you understand what the idiom "death from a thousand cuts" actually means?

yes or no

and if you don't understand - and acknowledge - the dog whistle nature of "states rights" and what it meant to the south, then we really can't discuss this subject with any level of honesty or intelligence.

 

Natty Bumpo: "The need for the homogeneous GOP to diversity is an existential imperative under representative governance."

The need for the socialist Democratic party to keep groups separate, promote racism and division, and encourage hatred and violence is so they can hold onto power. When people realize that we are all in the sinking boat together the Democrat appeal to each group will have less attraction.

Why should people reject the Democrat party? Education, jobs, families, independence. Things the Democrats hate.

 

Self-evident. Republican Senator Graham attested to that blatant reality below.

That really sounds like the irrational ravings of a bitter, ideological-hidebound dupe alienated from America.

Most Democratic are politically moderate, and the Party reflects the diversity of the populace (GOP 90% White, Democrats 60% White, Americans 62% White) - and the best-educated states are overwhelmingly "blue", and the worst-educated "red" even if right-wing extremists rage against that reality.

Your viciously maligning most Americans is not the most savvy stratagem to win friends for the GOP. Representing American values and aspirations is.


Let's hope they give it a try in the 114th Congress. It may be their last chance for quite some time.

 

In case you didn't know it people have been turned away at the polls in Ohio and Florida because the lines were so long that people could not vote before midnight. Disenfranchisement may not mean anything to you but it's a crime as far as I'm concerned as the right to vote is or should be considered sacred.

 

Yes and so far I have given you three cuts to your one.

Which, the association of "states rights" with segregration, Reagan was dispersing with in his speech and what a better place to do it which you would have already known had you the intellectual honesty to have actually read it.

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If you are in line when the polls close you get to vote.

 

That is just a matter of mismanagement by election officials and the voters themselves.

"CLEVELAND, Ohio-- Early voters jammed county election boards across Ohio Sunday on the last weekend day before the election in a state where that presidential election may well be decided.
At some sites, lines snaked several city blocks and it took hours for voters to get inside to cast a ballot.

In Cleveland, more than 2,500 people braved the cold in a line that stretched two blocks and started forming two hours before the doors opened,"

Well if you are going to go down two hours before and line up the THERE WILL BE A LINE.

" but moved quickly all afternoon. "

""The line was very fast," said Malikah Bledsoe"

And then the black churches were dumping off people in masses

"Many in line in Cleveland were dressed for church, part of the "Souls to the Polls" event organized by black churches that take worshippers to vote after religious services. Churches across the state joined the Obama campaign in offering vans and caravans to get people to the polls.

The Ohio Organizing Collaborative, an alliance of 14 community, faith and labor organizations, offered rides to community members through more than 20 churches scattered across the state."

"Inside the board of elections, there were 220 booths for casting a ballot. About 60 election workers helped move voters through the process."

220 booths. Seems to me the early voting itself is causing the lines.

And again the problem is the cost of the election, maintain all those polling places, securing the ballots, securing the machines, keeping them calibrated and tested for accuracy, finding enough volunteers to man them through all those days and the inconvenience to the fire stations, the schools, the civic centers and other places which must be put in a lock down situation. You know they just don't set up a kiosk at the mall and then come back twenty days later to pick it up.

The gymnastics is by the Democrats trying to cram enough blacks into a district so they can win in which suppresses my vote.

So do you support race based districting and giving blacks a higher say in government than whites?

So you DID support the recent rescission of some of the provisions in the Voting Rights Act which the Democrats were screaming about?

 

Nixon's southern strategy... Trent Lott's belief that we would be better off today if we had gone in a racist segregationist direction in 1948, Lee Atwater's explicit admission of using race baiting as a means of driving up the white vote, Ron Reagan's Philly speech (and yes, I did read it, and, by your response, it is clear you have no inkling whatsoever as to the meaning of the term "dog whistle") Reagan's talk of "young bucks" and "cadillac driving welfare queens".... it just goes on and on.... Add to that the actual make up of the DNC versus the RNC... the actual make up of the executive committees of each major party.... the profound difference in ethnic diversity between the GOP and Democratic congressional caucuses....

Look... I understand that you don't think it's FAIR that a party like yours should not have the lion's share of EVERY demographic's vote. I get it. You think that the GOP's feces doesn't have a foul odor. I understand.

Here's what YOU need to understand: I don't care. I know that my party has a lock on the black vote and that, if the only way the GOP can think to change that is by telling blacks that, if they just weren't so shiftless and lazy and put down the malt liquor for a moment and realized how the democratic party has been buying their loyalty with food stamps while keeping them penned up in the urban plantations, they'd quickly come to their senses and see the (white) light... if that's all you got, you'd better think of something better, cuz you've been trying that line for about thirty years now and it hasn't really made a dent in the democratic dominance of the african american vote.

And you ALSO need to understand that that is just about the extent of the advice that this fiercely loyal, yellow dog democrat will ever give you about the subject of this thread.

 

As Michael Parenti documented several mostly Democratic voting districts in Florida closed before the proper closing time and many people were not allowed to vote in the year 2000. This was also reported in Ohio and no doubt in other places as well.

 

Rachel Maddow discusses 40,000+ missing voter registrations in Georgia:



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It is time for the Supreme Court and others to stop this suppression. After all, Bush invaded Iraq supposedly to promote democracy - now its time to promote democracy at home.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...truck-down-what-might-a-replacement-look-like



Yesterday afternoon a three-judge federal court panel handed down a 2-1 ruling declaring that the Virginia congressional districts were unconstitutional as enacted by Republicans in 2012. Their reasoning was that in black voters were illegally packed into the 3rd district in an effort to prevent them from exerting an influence on the neighboring districts. The panel ordered the legislature to come up with a new redistricting plan by Apr. 1 of 2015, which would go into effect for 2016. Unlike in 2012 when Republicans had total control of state government, Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe can veto any attempts by Republicans to pass another gerrymander should he choose to do so.

While this ruling is certainly a win for Democrats and good-government groups...



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Court rules Virginia must stop gerrymandering - this evil has had a devastating impact on black/minority voting. Small wonder why unpatriotic right wingers say nothing about it.

 

If Americans are liable to vote against you, you make it more difficult for them to vote.

The only alternative, one born of desperation, would be for the GOP to attempt to win the votes of those Americans by representing them.

The latter approach will, eventually, have to be tried by them, because they are already coming up against the Constitutional rights of those Americans, and the courts are enforcing those rights.