Republicans: Do you now believe the Mueller Report should be accepted by all?

It was a joint decision to avoid the hysterical politics. AG Barr knew what was up. Rosenstein was going to quite his job but Barr made him stay until the report was filed for this very reason. So either you think Rosenstein is crooked, or Barr is crooked, or both but either way you are now doing what the left accused the right of doing, dissing the DOJ.

 

Is that the new thread of hope?

- Nearly 500 search warrants executed.

- More than 230 orders for communication records.

- Nearly 50 authorized orders for the use of pen registers, a tool that lets the government know who someone is communicating with and when, but not what they said.

- 13 evidence requests to foreign governments

- 500 witnesses interviewed

- $25 million in posted costs as of February

- 19 lawyers who were employed by the special counsel's office, according to a letter Barr sent to Congress on Sunday.

- About 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff that assisted with the investigation.

- More than 2,800 subpoenas issued by the Special Counsel's office, that's an average of at least four per day.

But you still have hope they missed something?

Delusional.

 

And I knew it would exonerate Trump because I didn't think Trump had the brains to collude. This is what I said a few days after Mueller was appointed.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mpeached-because-of-the-russian-probe.505152/

As a matter of fact, the only ones who were obsessed with collusion were the guys on the wingnut media. As I said in January 2018

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-collusion-trap-dont-fall-for-it.523441/

 

Allowing a criminal to go free doesn't look like the best way to avoid "hysterical politics".

 

This whole thread is a joke, right? Trump has been calling for release of the report for some time.

 

I love *******s that claim a person is guilty without a trial especially when it is based on the fact them lost an election two years prior. I wish they would just rejoice in all the great Federal judges he has appointed.

 

LOL, you cant make this stuff up, folks... headlines:

New Mantra: CNN Chants Report 'Does Not Exonerate' 120 Times in a Day

 

You need a crime to have a criminal. Mueller found no crime. Sucks to be a sufferer.

 

FYI, a person is guilty when they commit the crime. The trial simply establishes the guilt for the purpose of punishment.

In other words, if you murder somebody today, and your trial is next month... it's today when you become a murderer . Not next month

 

Mueller found many crimes. So have the SDNY, and many other courts

 

Ever been in a courtroom?

 

We are celebrating because for two years, we've heard lefties talking about how the Mueller investigation was going to result in getting Trump impeached and possibly imprisoned.

It's just a celebration of another lefty fail. They are so bad at predicting anything that if asked to predict how many toes they have, they'd predict at least a minimum of 30.



You guys who predicted that it was a tipping point, the beginning of the end, that the wall is closing in, that there were bombshells....

You guys need to stop listening to propaganda and start thinking for yourselves.

 

Nothing to do with collusion. Nothing to do with Trump.

 

What are you doing? I told you.

 

Nope, that's not it. This is.

Trump fired two FBI directors who were investigating the Russian intervention into our Presidential election. Mueller was appointed because of the firing of Comey.

Yet, Barr concluded there was no evidence of obstruction of justice.

That is not so strange when one considers these factors.

Barr authored a memo saying he thought the obstruction investigation was "fatally misconceived."

Barr has not shied away from defending Trump's firing of Comey, but the June 8 memo -- first reported by The Wall Street Journal and provided to lawmakers late Wednesday -- offers a detailed analysis of one of the most consequential episodes of Trump's presidency, concluding that while he's "in the dark about many facts," Mueller's obstruction inquiry was "fatally misconceived." Barr adds that Trump asking Comey to let go of the investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn and later firing Comey were within his powers as head of the executive branch.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/bill-barr-comey-obstruction/index.html

This was written in June 2018.

Barr is a strong believer in the unitary executive. According to the unitary executive theory, since the Constitution assigns the president all of “the executive power”, he can set aside laws that attempt to limit his power over national security. This is an enormous power: critics charge that it effectively places the president above the law.

Barr's memo outlines these "Common Legislative Encroachments On Executive Branch Authority":

• Interference with the President's Appointment Power, including incompatibility and ineligibility issues (e.g., appointing members of Congress to executive-branch commissions that have more than advisory roles), directing the president to appoint from an approved list of candidates, and delegations of authority to positions outside the executive branch (e.g., qui tam statutes).
• The creation of hybrid commissions that reach into executive authority.
• Attempts to constraint the president's "removal power."
• "Micromanagement of the Executive Branch," by mandating certain executive processes and bureaucratic organization.
• "Attempts to Gain Access to Sensitive Executive Branch Information."
• Legislative vetoes (even after Chadha).
• Requirements that executive officials submit legislation to Congress.
• Restrictions on the president's recess appointment power.

https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/conlaw/2018/12/william-barrs-unitary-executive.html

Is there any doubt that Barr would rule in favor of the unitary executive?

In view of Barr's preconceived notions about the Mueller report, in view of a DOJ rule that a sitting President cannot be indicted, in view of Barr's dogma of looking at the issues through the lens of a prosecutor looking to prove a crime without a shadow of a doubt, the Mueller report has little to do with criminal law.

This renders Barr's "principled conclusions" meaningless. This isn't about criminal law. This is about a political process -- impeachment. Barr does not decide what are impeachable offenses. The House does.

If the Trump administration doesn't hand over the Mueller report, Americans will always wonder what he is hiding. They will take that question with them when they enter the voting booth in 2020, along with another question.

Why in the hell should we accept the biased, preconceived views in a four-page summary by Trump's attorney general?

When the Mueller report is turned over to Congress and the public, that is when the real work will begin.

 

Actually.... no. You didn't. What you heard was wingnut media telling you that the left was saying that.

 

Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, said in an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the President’s written answers to questions from special counsel Robert Mueller concerning the Moscow Trump Tower said that Trump “can remember having” such discussions “up to as far as October, November of 2016.”

“It's our understanding that they went on throughout 2016,” Giuliani said, adding that “there weren't a lot of them, but there were conversations. Can't be sure [of] the exact dates, but the president can remember having conversations with him about it."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/20/giuliani-trump-tower-moscow-cohen-1116065

In other words, during the entire Presidential campaign, Trump was negotiating with the Russian government. To this day there are enormous concerns that Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia have exerted a great influence on Trump.

"I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. My people came to me. Dan Coats came to me, and some others," Trump said. "They said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be." Helsinki, July 16, 2018.

Trump will not disclose his secret conversations with Putin, not even to his closest advisors, and there are no records of those conversations. Only Putin knows, not American intelligence and not American security officials.

We also know this poses a serious risk to our national security.

At Helsinki, Trump spent two hours alone with Putin, only translators were allowed. Many suspect Trump is being extorted by Putin, which would explain a lot. Only Putin knows what was said during those two hours. What is Trump hiding?

Barr concluded there was no evidence of collaboration with the Russian government.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ge=13&q=russia&t=post&o=date&c[user][0]=70622

You've got a long and detailed history here of believing the Russian conspiracy hoax.

here's just one of many quotes of yours in that search that show you bought it hook, line, and sinker.

"Yes. But it turns out that if you "forgot" you colluded with Russia to undermine our democratic system, then you get a Presidential pardon and all is forgiven...You're just a bit absent-minded...so no jail time."

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cts-with-russia.510657/page-2#post-1067793769

A search with your name and Russia provided 15 pages of you buying the russian conspiracy hoax.

It's not just the wingnut media, but you.

 

Hah!

Try again!

There is no doubt that the Trump campaign attempted to collude with Russia. I have posted no less than 5 times today proving it. But i have have aaaaalways made it clear that that would not be the source of Trump's legal problems.

Which is exactly what Mueller concluded (according to Barr)

Here is my post from May 2017. Just days after Mueller was appointed.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mpeached-because-of-the-russian-probe.505152/

But it's nice that you took the time to look up my old posts. Keep it up. You are likely to learn something.

 

What did you mean by "But this is not likely to be Trump's legal downfall. It will demonstrate (again) Trump's stupidity in covering it up."

covering what up?

This is from your own supplied post. Trump was covering something up, so... what was he covering up?

 

Mueller’s report is irrelevant to me. I knew the truth a long time ago. I have called this "investigation" a nothing burger from the start.

Of course, I am correct.

So now there needs to be a real investigation into why a Special Counsel was appointed to investigate nothing.

 

He was covering up many things. Among them .... collusion with Russia.

Especially this

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rump-jr-emails-full-text-russia-rob-goldstone

 

The problem we are seeing here on this forum is one of a lack or deficit of critical thinking combined with poor reading. Barr's report had only two partial sentences from Mueller's report, and nowhere in Barr's two quotes does Mueller say he found "no evidence". It says he did not establish that the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with Russians, and the report comes to no conclusion regarding any crime. Both of these statements declare only that no judgement of the meaning of the facts was made. Mueller did not craw conclusions: he presented facts.

Investigations like this are supposed to proceed in this manner, making no judgements and drawing no conclusions.... just presenting the facts. Others, like Congress are supposed to make the decision to prosecute or act on those facts, or not. But because of the nature of these investigations, all the declarations of Trump being found innocent of all wrongdoing are nonsense. We haven't gotter there yet and cannot conclude such things without misrepresenting or outright lying.

 

sigh...

there is no evidence of collusion with Russia.

See, here we are again with this nonsense.

 

Oh. Do they have a title of "illuminati" in the Trump cult?

Of course! Divine illumination can never lie.

Especially why he indicted 37 innocent souls, some of whom confessed, when the Holy Providence has told you that they are actually Martyrs.