Republicans fear they will win ObamaCare court battle-

According to the most biased poster on the board!

Sorry, but I live among socialists, Canada invented them it seems, and I know what is socialist. I also teach this (*)(*)(*)(*)


Your boy is a populist socialist, deny it like you deny he lied hundreds of times on one issue, like you deny he's incompetent, and you deny Bill Clinton is a sex deviate and that both Clintons are crooks, but he is a populist socialist.

Please avail yourself of the internet and get an education.

 

Still not defining socialism and providing policy examples.

If you don't know what it means just say so.

 

as if....

Bob Woodward: Bush Didn't Lie About WMDs to Justify Iraq War

[video=youtube;Cwqh4wQPoQk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk[/video]

 

Yep. Perhaps you should contact your Republican reps and tell them to stop trying to make it even worse.

Whoa! Really went off the rails there. Your neighbors may be paying more, but it's more likely that they have better plans (on average) because the ACA stopped insurers from selling junk policies. The only "division" in this country is by Republicans who are doing their utmost to charge full speed ahead toward the oligarchy we all see on the horizon, and Obama was a major hindrance to their plans. Once they have complete control of the three branches, it'll be game over. And you'll be the loser.

 

Create the conditions for failure then when the failure occurs run to the nearest camera and yell as loud as you can

"I'll save you people! I'm your only hope! The other guy is going to put y'all back in chains! You deserve free stuff and by golly I'm gonna give you that free stuff cause other guy don't want you to have said free entitled stuff!"

It was the primary architect of the ACA and close friend of the Obama Administration that's said, paraphrasing, that the stupidity of the American voter was absolutely necessary in passing Obamacare.

He said it had to be written in such manipulative language as to hide the fact that it was nothing more than a massive income redistributing tax on young employed healthy people.

He said this fact would have to be concealed for as long as possible or the CBO would score it and the people would eventually realize what it was.

And is this not what happened?

Did we not have corrupt Democrats roaming the countryside pushing this scam in our faces saying don't worry it's not a tax but you'll have to wait till we pass it to be sure because we don't want you to read it just yet.

This administration has done nothing but lie and scam the country and Its so (*)(*)(*)(*)ing infuriating to see these willfully ignorant liberals supporting their own destruction on a consistent and daily basis.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*)!

Talk about generic outrage!

Ah....how do I put this.....don't have Republican reps, never have had, have never voted Republican in my life. I am a liberal and member of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Seriously, how the (*)(*)(*)(*) can I take you seriously when you don't even look at the flags I fly?

And I can say that about your health care system, a even compared to our flawed system, it's Cadillac against a rusty Edsel.

So, it's only Republicans who are divisive? Barrack Hussein Obama never called Republicans "enemies"? Mr Harry Reid never outright lied with "Romney never paid taxes" lying nor called his law making colleagues "traitors", "liars", "Jihadists" and "terrorists"?

Sorry pal, I've been watching. Obama waged a better war against Republicans than he ever did against his Islamic terrorist pals.

And now here's where I bring out the real stupidity of that lame angry lame post; I am the furthest (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thing from a Republican. I am not even a "moderate conservative" by your standards. I have supported universal health care since 1957, equal rates of pay for men and women since 1970, have been an activist for gay rights and continue to serve as publicity chair for a local pride parade. I have supported gay marriage since the late 1990's. I have advocated a 'no-punishment' legal system and have worked on behalf of establishing a community court system. I volunteer as a community worker with my local police department and have helped bring about their "no bust for possession" policy on marijuana.

I would also abolish the second amendment.

So, in your attempts to stereotype me, you make a complete ass out of yourself.

try reading real news items instead of spewing meme and (*)(*)(*)(*) you think up.

I lose nothing, but as your country continues on it's divisive, hate filled path as outlined in the above hate filled post, i gain a better economy as more and more Yankee companies move here.

 

provided and proved,

go away. Trolling is boring.

You can cover your ears and waggle your head saying na, na, na, na, until mommy calls you in for dinner, but the facts will not change.

Thanks for playing

 

Republicans already have a fix that Obama has promised to veto.

 

Lol, you didn't even attempt to define it. One last chance.

 

Try for just a moment to pry your mind away from your socialist ideals and understand something: the government should not interfere with health insurance AT ALL just like it doesn't interfere with, say, a person's car insurance, or life insurance, or the selection of carpet for their homes, or any of thousands of other things. In just a few words, "IT'S NONE OF THE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY OR BUSINESS!"

So now, if this whole wretched, misbegotten pile of Obamacare (*)(*)(*)(*) comes crashing down to the ground, whose fault is that...? It's a Democrat pile of (*)(*)(*)(*), pure and simple! No Republican had ANYTHING to do with it!

"Pulled it straight out of Obama's ass!"

 

That nonsense was recently put to rest at a Congressional hearing by HHS Secretary, Sylvia Burwell:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress and the states will need to find an answer if the Supreme Court strikes down the federal subsidies that are a foundation of President Barack Obama's health care law, his health secretary told lawmakers Wednesday.

Sylvia Burwell also said the president would reject any proposals restoring those subsidies that Republican lawmakers have already produced because all would roll back crucial elements of the overhaul law, in effect repealing it.

"Something that repeals the Affordable Care Act is something the president will not sign," she said.

So, please - stop with the smarmy b.s. when anyone with half a functioning brain knows better.

 

So you don't know any better eh? Yep, the Prez will shoot down anything if he doesn't get his way. He leads by veto instead of leadership.

 

Ooops. Jeez - was that ever a swing and a miss by a mile.

It was the Republican Party who decided as soon as Obama was elected that they would oppose everything he did (unless he totally adopted their beliefs) in an effort to see that he would be a one term president. And they never stopped. EVERYTHING they can do to stop, hinder, or eliminate any program that could possibly allow him to claim a political victory, no matter how small, they committed to do ... and did. That hasn't stopped.

I have no idea where you get your news, but it's not this side of reality.

 

Yup, Many times.....

Personally, I think republicans are in a no loose situation here, even if they did nothing at all.

Theyre not going to be blamed for Obamacares epic failure.

In truth, it was doomed from the start, when obama and pals lied cheated and stole to pass it in the middle of the night, with zero republican support.

Get rid of that stalinist mandate.

 

Your ideological dogma is irrelevant. As a pragmatic reality, government programmes such as Medicare have proved to be sufficiently successful to be very popular, and there is a moral conviction that those in need of medical care should be treated, regardless of whether they are eligible for a government-subsidized employer-administered plan, enjoy private family coverage they pay for in full, or are poor and will have their expenses dumped on the taxpayer.

Universal, single-payer coverage has been repeatedly demonstrated to be the most successful, efficient, and cost-effective approach in advanced nations.

Airy-fairy notions of unbridled capitalism dictating to the people may work wonderfully in Ayn Rand's fiction, but that's not reality; it's fiction.

It is important that true-believers learn to distinguish.

 

My views are not rooted in Ayn Rand's fiction -- they're rooted in the Constitution of the United States.

But, "as a pragmatic reality" I would actually favor a single-payer system, and I've been advocating one for two years! Does that surprise you? But you wouldn't like my idea of single-payer because it would be one in which everyone who is covered actually PAYS. No "subsidies", no welfare, no handouts, no bull(*)(*)(*)(*). If you want to be a member of the single-payer system, you PAY... and, you get what you pay for.

All shareholders in the single-payer system would get the benefits of the lowest premiums because all the health insurance companies would have to BID for the single-payer health insurance contract, every year! There would be fewer deductions, fewer co-pays, and much better coverage with fewer "exclusions" and/or "ceilings". Again, COMPETITION is the key to making all this happen. The prize? The largest single customer-base in the United States!

There would also be a "safety net" of welfare health service provided to anyone/everyone who couldn't or wouldn't wish to be included in the single-payer system -- Medicaid. It wouldn't cost people a penny to get medical attention through Medicaid, so that would keep all the hyperliberal socialists happy. But the two different systems, single-payer, and Medicaid, would NOT under any circumstances be co-mingled in some kind of half-assed health care "mash up". We already have a half-assed Obamacare system... we don't need anything anymore like that at all.

 

The larger the risk pool, the greater the distribution of risk and the predicability of cost, thus minimizing the necessary reserves. Couple that with cutting out the superfluous middle man with all the unnecessary add-ons for profit margins agent commissions, marketing, political lobbying, repeated duplication of administrative bureaucracy, and other overhead, and you will have minimized the cost and maximized efficiency. An incremental reduction in the minimum Medicare eligibility age would gradually introduce the lower risk demographics into the pool.

Study the most successful systems on earth. If you can offer a "real world" alternative that you prefer, name it.

As a pragmatist, again, I eschew airy-fairy, utopian ideologies, and trust what actually works best.

 

I honestly cannot disagree with anything you've said, although I'm still uncertain which of my views you classify as "utopian ideologies". I think you do see merit in the idea of making the big healthcare companies bid for the business represented by a single-payer system. Several of these companies could go in together and form a consortium if they wish, but the bottom line would be that the winner would be the one who comes in with the best coverage at the lowest cost, as presented in their formal response to an Invitation For Bid (IFB). Rip and read -- winner take all, until next year. We'd sort out the sheep from the goats in one hell of a big hurry! I'm willing to use your system as a model, and I only have one question -- what would you do with the people who, for one reason or another, would not participate in the single-payer system?

You could safely assume that a lot of them would be people with large enough bank accounts that they would simply contract on their own with one of the new "physicians' groups" for private insurance, and they would pay their own way separately. Also, there would be the millions who would be enrolled in Medicare. Is that the way you see it, too...?

 

Trickle down works? Tell that to Kansas or Louisiana.

 

You are in an auto accident an the steering column has gone through your gut, but you are still alive and the ambulance crew takes you to the most expensive hospital for emergency care.... how are you going to shop?

 

Actually that's a very conservative rate increase. Prior to the ACA, in some areas annual premium rate hikes averaged 10 to 14%.

 

Be patient! The "best" is yet to come:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/02/news/economy/obamacare-rates/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ig-premium-hikes-for-obamacare-plans-in-2016/
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/06/02/Double-Digit-Rate-Hikes-Loom-Obamacare-2016

Remember when the lying, deceitful socialist bastard told us all that Obamacare would save us $2,500 per year...?

 

This is not the GOP... it is the SCOTUS... oh and btw something... does it not bother you that different parts of the pass it to see what's in it law keep being struck down as unconstitutional from your constitutional scholar president, meanwhile not fulfilling the promises it was mashed through with?

Rome is burning. You are gleeful for it if you perceive your fellow Americans are being "beaten".

Hard to find respect in that.

 

You would use your car insurance to pay your medical bills.

 

Paul Ryan now says the GOP has a "secret plan" to fix everything if the USSC rules against the Administration.


But he can't tell you what it is, until they do.