Require immigrants speak English?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Ronstar, May 17, 2018.

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Require immigrants speak English?

  1. No, this is a free country and they can speak whatever language they like.

    9 vote(s)
    23.1%
  2. No, but require English be the language of official govt. business.

    18 vote(s)
    46.2%
  3. Yes, this is America and you should only speak English!!!!

    2 vote(s)
    5.1%
  4. Speak your language at home, speak English in public!!!!

    14 vote(s)
    35.9%
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  1. AlNewman

    AlNewman Well-Known Member

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    Your words and your actions do not agree. Here you dictate that if someone does not have the ability to understand those one or two languages of your edict then they are a non-entity. With this failed logic you make judgement against what you portray to know little. Let me help with this definition you are struggling to get a grip on, first the base word from a law standpoint:


    Being government by it's very nature is coercive, a government form not in a language of the user has compelled that person to compliance even they have no ability to understand, normally with penalties.


    You, by your very words emphasized in bold, is an act of coercion against another where their well being could very well be in jeopardy. You, by your own words, believe in the use of violence to resolve matters.

    As to language, seems this source does not agree with your conclusion:


    And that influx ever grows as even the government disagrees with you:


    And by that article, Spanish is 77.1% of the total learning English. I would suggest you actually do some research before making bogus claims, but then bullies just try and force their way through.
     
  2. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Because multilingual societies are less cohesive. They Balkanize into separate sub-societies which come into conflict. There is less civic cooperation because, people feel estranged in their own neighborhoods when it becomes multilingual.

    Diversity, in any form, is poison.
     
  3. Pycckia

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    In theory, in practice very few residents of China can speak any English. They are taught English in school, but it doesn't stick.
     
  4. AlNewman

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    That is total bull, no more really need be said but I will. You are attempting to project reality rather than face reality. New York and Miami have been the hotbeds of diversity forever. One industrial park in South Florida had a majority of tenants that were either Brazilian (Portuguese), Haitian (Creole), Dominican Republic (Spanish), Cuban (fractured Spanish), St. Lucia (Kwéyòl) and Columbia and Venezuela (Spanish). It was an interesting place to be but the only conflict was the Brazilians that felt resolving conflict required violence, the winner being the victor of the argument.
     
  5. AlNewman

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    Do you have any sources for that statement? The Chinese people are not idiots, they have taught English in their schools forever. Back when China first opened it's borders, English (among other languages) speaking people got all the good jobs working in the hospitality industry. Your statement is ludicrous.
     
  6. BillRM

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    Allowing racists and bigots to get away with attacking people for daring to exercise their rights to communicate in any language they care to do so, is what going to be the pure poison as far as being one people.

    A large percent of the bigots grandfathers and great grandfathers was likely to had not been comfortable speaking in English and avoid doing so whenever possible.

    In any case, the more you allow the mistreatment of mainly non English speakers the more they are going to turn and identified with their own groups and reject the main culture.

    That lawyer an anyone who defend him is in fact the pure poison as far as being one people is concern.
     
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  7. Pycckia

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    I am the source for that statement having lived and traveled all over China off and on for 20 years. I am sure that English speakers get good jobs in the hospitality industry, but there really aren't that many of them. On my first visit to China, I visited a middle school and was introduced to the English teacher there. She didn't speak very good English and was extremely nervous probably because I was the first native English speaker she had ever met.

    They learn it in schools, but never get to practice it, and so anything they learn quickly fades.

    Really. Come to Beijing. How are you going to get from the airport to the hotel? No cab driver I've met speaks English. I wouldn't bet on the airport information clerk speaking English, but maybe she does and can tell you where to get a shuttle bus.

    Go to a restaurant and try to order a meal in English. Never met a waitress who could speak English. The menus in the fancier restaurants often have English, so you can point and grunt. That'll work.

    In Western Europe English works fine. Eastern Europe, not so much. In China, it's hopeless. Even in Hong Kong, English is not widely spoken and your pidgin Mandarin is useless too.
     
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  8. Pycckia

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    How can we be one people without a common language?
     
  9. BillRM

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    LOL for many generations we had have one wave after another of people coming to our shores that was not primary English speakers and who did things such as set up their own newspapers in their own languages.

    They and their kids fought in our wars and was loyal citizens even the Japaneses who we place the family in camps behind barb wire and then draft them to fight for us.

    If there is one thing that will break this long long record of new emigrates with or without English skills being loyal members of our social is to allow bigots to attack them over the language issues that had always taken care of itself over a generation or so.
     
  10. Pycckia

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    Bigots used to attack them before, too. This bigotry is nothing new. I think it is a motivation for learning and using English, actually.
     
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    True bigots are nothing new however thanks to electing a bigot as president we are now looking at far more of that nonsense existing then we have in many generations.

    An it is a motivation for turning to your own groups and away from the common culture in my opinion.

    By the way, I know a number of even second generation Americans that barely know their parents primary language but not one second generation American that is not completely fluent in English.

    The language issue is a straw horse to give the bigots an excuse to be bigots and look down on others and nothing more.
     
  12. Pycckia

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    It was your insistence on increasing diversity that got a bigot elected. You tried to boil the frog too fast.

    When two people speak a language other than English they are turning to their own group and away from the common culture which is English speaking.

    Anecdotal data. I know counter examples.

    Everyone enjoys looking down on others. You enjoy looking down on bigots, right? The language issue is just another excuse for you to look down on bigots.
     
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    I was in Bejing, had the best Peking Duck at the Holiday Inn for my birthday. I stayed at the Liang Ma where the staff spoke English. My sales representative in the country was one of the top Universities in Beijing where I conversed with the computer science students. While the masses have no knowledge of even the various dialects of Chinese, with that large a population, even a small percentage is a large number of people.

    But because you met a person that didn't speak very good English, but she did speak it, does not a statistic make. My initial cab driver from the airport did not speak English but he did understand Liang Ma. Now the private driver we hired spoke fluent English as did his wife, which was a General Manager in the hospitality industry.
     
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    Why would we want to be one people, that ridiculous except for the concept of collectivism.
     
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    @Pycckia , I just wanted to mention that I am not "the Party of the People". And as far as I know, there is not such Party. So it has no "secret agenda" if it doesn't exist. And therefore your words are an attempt to invent something that doesn't exist and attack it.
     
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    Bigotry is a sure sign of low intelligence and low intelligence has been the hallmark of the unwashed masses forever. Why should that be a factor for any being capable of making an intelligent decision on their own?
     
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    Yeah, the election of Odumbo had that effect.

    A number, 2, 3?

    Otherwise your argument is Argumentum ad logicam, a valid conclusion based on flawed logic.
     
  18. Pycckia

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    But you need more than a small percentage to get to the 4 billion English speakers you bragged about. That is what I was reacting to.

    (But they all speak Mandarin in the PRC.)
     
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    Nonsense. Very intelligent people can be bigots. I submit Woodrow Wilson.
     
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    Because life is happier when surrounded by people who are just like you.
     
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    footnote in 1969 or so I drove into Miami on a Sunday looking for the University of Miami main campus an stop by a gentleman mowing his yard to ask for directions.

    To my surprise he did not know any English and I was about to get back into my car when he called a very little child over to do the translation and I got the needed directions.

    The language problems is at the very worst a one generation problem and that only if you consider it a problem in the first place.
     
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    To be fair to Wilson he was raised in the aftermath of the civil war in the deep south factors that does not apply to Aaron Schlossberg in 2018.
     
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    You right as I enjoy looking down on Trump as he is the first president in US history that I had feel that I would made a far better president then he does.

    However the price we and the world are paying for that feeling is far too great.
     
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    Lets see here. You are all stirred up because some fruitcake aborts the school kids in the 68th trimester, but are OK with murdering the same child, the same genetics, the same DNA 67 trimesters before. It is the SAME PERSON!!!, just at another step in a human life. What difference does it make if you kill the child in the first trimester, or the 68th trimester.

    You are killing THE SAME PERSON!!!!!!!
    It is like saying it is OK to kill/abort anyone over 65 but not between 5 years of age to 64. It is the LOGIC you are using! They may or may not become retires!

    This is your logic.
     
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  25. not2serious

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    what form of bigotry are you talking about?? Language bigotry??? Really???
     

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