Research Team Slams Global Warming Data In New Report: "Not Reality... Totally Inconsistent With Cre

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    So you can't disprove the article.

    What a surprise.
     
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    Neither to attempt to disprove a word of the article nor to attempt to address even a word quoted.

    Not even understand a word in either.

    What a surprise.

    Sarcasm is understood.
     
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    http://www.snopes.com/climatology-fraud-global-warming/

    Peer-Reviewed Study Proves All Recent Global Warming Fabricated by Climatologists?

    A blog post, even if you like it and it is presented in downloadable PDF form, is Not a peer-reviewed study.

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    A peer-reviewed study has found evidence that nearly all of global warming has been fabricated by climate scientists.

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    On 9 July 2017, Breitbart News ran a story written by chart enthusiast James Delingpole, which carried a characteristically provocative and demonstrably false headline:

    ‘Nearly All’ Recent Global Warming Is Fabricated, Study Finds

    In it, Delingpole alleges that a “peer-reviewed” study (first “exclusively” highlighted by the Daily Caller), written by “two scientists and a veteran statistician” found evidence that “much of global warming has been fabricated by climate scientists”:

    The peer-reviewed study by two scientists and a veteran statistician looked at the global average temperature datasets (GAST) which are used by climate alarmists to argue that recent years have been “the hottest evah” and that the warming of the last 120 years has been dramatic and unprecedented.

    What they found is that these readings are “totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.” That is, the adjusted data used by alarmist organizations like NASA, NOAA, and the UK Met Office differs so markedly from the original raw data that it cannot be trusted.​

    A Peer-Reviewed Study?

    Breitbart here lowers the bar for what passes as both “peer-reviewed” and a “study”. This report, published on a WordPress blog run by co-author Joseph D’Aleo — a meteorologist who did notcomplete a PhD, but who prominently advertises his honorary doctorate on the document’s cover page — is not published in a scientific journal.

    Additionally, this study is not (as implied by some coverage) an official publication of the Cato Institute, despite the fact that co-author Craig Idso is an adjunct scientist there. “This study was not published by the Cato Institute,” a representative of the libertarian think tank told us.

    The claim of peer review, widely reported by numerous outlets, evidently stems from the second page of the report, in which the names of seven scientists (spanning a wide range of fields including aerospace engineering and economics, despite a complete lack of discussion of these topics in the report) appear under the banner “The Undersigned Agree with the Conclusions of this Report”.

    We reached out to these scientists to ask if this page was meant to imply that those listed individuals were the peer-reviewers news reports were speaking of. Only one person, George Wolff — a former Environmental Protection Agency atmospheric scientist who is now chief scientist for a company called Air Improvement Resource, Inc. — responded to our request. In a brief response, he simultaneously suggested that their inclusion on the document meant to imply they were the peer-reviewers, and that this process involved merely reading the study carefully:

    My approach to reviewing the report was the same as I have used for the hundreds of journal articles that I have reviewed. I read the report carefully and critically. I gave it a formal peer-review.​

    Reading a study and saying that you agree with its conclusions is not how peer review works. A formal peer-review is a structured process that by nature requires a third party, usually a journal editor, who oversees an iterative process of critiques and revisions.

    Given the fact that this study is not published in a journal but on a WordPress blog run by one of the co-authors, it is difficult to see how Wolff’s careful and critical reading of the document constitutes a formal peer review. In response to multiple requests for clarification on what Wolff meant by “formal peer review”, he indicated that the conversations were between only himself and the lead author, making the suggestion of peer review more philosophical than an argument rooted in objective reality:

    I provided critical comments to the lead author. We then discussed them and appropriate changes were made to the report.​

    Breitbart’s Coverage of this “Study”

    The main argument of the Breitbart article via this “study” appears to be that if you look at global surface temperature records compiled by a variety of governmental organizations, corrections applied to this data since the 1980s have steadily biased the results toward making current warming appear more dramatic by depressing past temperatures and inflating recent temperatures.

    Delingpole even picked out his favorite chart that he claims makes this point:

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    This chart shows the difference in the corrected global temperature values, by month, from a National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) record produced in May 2008 compared to one produced with later corrections in June 2017. Importantly, they do not show a comparison between raw data and corrected data.

    Using the apparently revelatory finding that the addition of more or higher quality data to a record can change and improve it over time, Breitbart cites co-author D’Aleo’s analysis to suggest that the chart shows past temperatures are intentionally and nefariously biased to be cooler, while recent temperatures are biased to be warmer:

    Note how most of the downward adjustments take place in the early twentieth century and most of the upward take place in the late twentieth century. According to meteorologist Joe D’Aleo, who co-authored the study with statistician James Wallace and Cato Institute climate scientist Craig Idso, this has the effect of exaggerating the warming trend. “Nearly all of the warming they are now showing are in the adjustments,” [D’Aleo said].​

    This statement implores us to falsely interpret the figure as showing changes to the raw data itself. As previously mentioned, however, this chart (and many similar ones in the “study”) shows changes between two versions of corrected data. To make the point Delingpole thinks D’Aleo is making, you would need to show that corrected records of climate relative to raw data make recent temperatures warmer than the raw data, and older records cooler.

    Considering the most significant adjustment to the data actually increases early 20th century temperatures without doing the same to the post-1950 data, this argument would be a nearly impossible one to make if burdened by facts. Here’s a comparison of a variety of corrected records compared to the raw (uncorrected data), showing that, in fact, the opposite of what D’Aleo is suggesting is the reality:

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    The “Study” Itself

    Delingpole and D’Aleo’s argument, if it accurately represented the data it claimed to be analyzing, might sound reasonable in the absence of literally any other information, but sprinkle just a pinch of context onto it and the interpretation becomes increasingly unpalatable, even with those grains of salt with which Delingpole implores us to take climate science. To dive into that context, some background is needed.

    A bit about these records and how they are generated: Maintained by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s NCDC and other governmental organizations, these historical records come from myriad disparate, often non-standardized, and difficult to interpret bits of information — things like ship logs, buoy data, and instrument readings from mercury and digital thermometers. Both historical and modern data are continually added to these databases.

    This heterogeneity of sources means there are a number of elements that, indeed, need to be adjusted if the record is to be internally consistent. One example comes from gradual changes made to the way in which temperature readings have been made since the 1950s, shifting from an evening reading to a morning reading, consequently shifting the raw data to become gradually cooler as morning temperature readings became more common.

    Another very significant set of corrections that needs to be made stems from multiple shifts in how sea temperatures (which are used to calculate ocean surface air temperatures) have been measured on ships. Prior to the 1940s, buckets were thrown off the side of a boat, pulled up, and measured on the spot with a thermometer. Later, people began to use the intake water temperature in ship’s engine rooms. Now, freestanding buoys are typically used, which provide relatively colder readings compared to engine room readings.

    (It was, in fact, an increased understanding of the difference between buoy data and engine room data that caused the most significant change documented by the figure that Breitbart chose to highlight.)

    Documenting the direction of these changes to the corrections, without explaining them, makes up a bulk of the main argument of the “study”. This section, which painstakingly reveals publicly available and well-discussed adjustments to historical climate records reads like a thriller, with the authors taking the reader chronologically step by step, through each mysterious (but also completely documented) correction to these global datasets.

    Zeke Hausfather is a scientist at Berkeley Earth, an independent non-governmental research group originally skeptical of the correction methods employed in these sorts climate records. He told us these corrections change over time due to increased data and better analytical tools to analyze that data:

    We have dramatically improved our ability to measure the Earth’s climate the last thirty years. And we’ve also launched a lot of efforts to collect all of the global temperature data. […] Scientists in the eighties and nineties undertook some pretty big efforts to go around and collect all the weather records from all the stations you can find in various parts of the world. And those sort of efforts have continued up through today.

    And so, when you look at their, for example, 1980 value from NASA, what that actually came from was about five hundred or so stations on land almost entirely in the northern hemisphere. That’s the best they had at the time so they said this is the best we can do for estimating global temperatures as these are all the stations that we have access to.

    Nowadays we actually have an ocean temperature record back to 1850 or so based on data from ships and more recently from buoys. And you know, two-thirds of the earth is ocean, so if you leave oceans out you’re gonna get a fairly incorrect answer.​

    In the “study”, however, without once attempting to explain the reasons for the corrections, the authors boldly (and unconvincingly) conclude:

    Clearly the historical GAST data adjustments that have been made have been dramatic and invariably have been favorable to Climate Alarmists’ views regarding Global Warming. The question now is whether the latest versions of GAST data by NOAA, NASA and Hadley are credible for policy analysis, or even climate modeling, purposes.​

    Ignoring, once again, that adjustments to these records — relative to the raw data — decrease apparent warming across the 20th and 21st century, it is also worth noting that Berkeley Earth has painstakingly reviewed this process with their own independent methodology, concluding that the records produced by NCDC and others accurately represent global temperature trends. Hausfather was the lead author on that 2017 study.

    The authors of the “study” Breitbart cites then attempt to make the point that the raw data from “exceptionally high quality sources” (for which they provide no selection criteria) demonstrate an ambiguously defined “natural cycle” gradually erased by malicious intent of data adjustments. Almost all of these records are from northern North America and literally all of them are from the Northern Hemisphere. Without acknowledging the geographical limits of their data, the authors conclude:

    Thus, it seems that beyond any doubt, the U.S. data reflected in the Global Average Surface Temperature data calculation should contain the cyclical patterns shown above.​

    As previously mentioned, data used in the earliest records did indeed show this Northern Hemisphere signal more prominently because — follow us here — the vast majority was from land stations in North America. However, when you add the Southern Hemisphere signal — a crucial element in the “global” concept inherent to global warming — you are going to dampen the results a bit. This is one of the things that has been happening to that record since its earliest incarnation, says Hausfather:

    The [1980 NASA record is] only based on about five hundred stations almost entirely from the Northern Hemisphere, you do see a bit more warmth in the ’30’s and ’40’s. Again [this is] because you’re only looking at Northern Hemisphere lands. But when you add in the oceans, when you add in the Southern Hemisphere, that sort of mid-century warmth doesn’t completely go away, but it becomes much smaller.​

    Ultimately, the central argument of this study and its representation by Breitbart and others is one based on a willful misreading of data propelled by a study whose academic rigor has been misrepresented. As such, we rank the claim that climate scientists have created global warming entirely through corrections to raw data as false. While these corrections to raw historical data have shifted over time, the cumulative effect of all corrections applied to the raw data has been to reduce apparent global warming over the industrialized period, not the other way around.

    “If scientists were actually cooking the books,” Hausfather told us “we’d be cooking them in the wrong directions.”
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    Your asked for names of 97% of scammers. You can find them in the cartoonist's peer reviewed scientific publication which has been serving as one of the central references of the scammers.

    You can add his name if you wish.

    Seriously.

    And the post above this reply is both a scam and a spam.
     
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    FYI, climate deniers have no science, only skepticism. In order to prove that the earth's air is not affected by man, is to make their scientific studies, not use others.

    BTW, how is the air in China, that is already reaching the US, the nuclear accident in Japan, radiation did reach the US. Mankind has polluted water and land too, yet this one specific issue, RWers are in denial, yet examples exist, as well as the data.
     
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    Parroting your religious leaders doesn't make it any less factual.

    They don't have to when they can point out the lies and fraud in yours.

    So global warming is caused by the nuclear disaster in Japan? Do you even hear yourself?
     
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    What you said makes sense in your head? Can you dispute the facts in the OP or just bore us with mindless opinion?

    How do you explain the army of failed predictions from the religion of man made global warming going back decades?

    Or do you just run away from them as well?
     
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    So? Ice Ages have come and gone several times over the history of the Earth. Did you have a point?
     
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    You have it backwards. It isn't up to anybody to prove man isn't affecting the climate. The onus is on those who claim we are to prove it. You have failed miserably.
     
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    No, Trump Cult Members and the Flat Earth Society are the scammers. They literally hate scientists. And universities.
     
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    You are aptly named. All I have seen you do on this site is a certain type of fishing.
     
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    I will try to express myself in a harder way.

    mdrobster can neither attempt to disprove a word of the PO article nor attempt to address even a word of my post he quoted.

    mdrobster cannot even understand a word in either.

    Your, guavaball, sarcasm "what a surprise"' that he can't is understood by me.

    Does it make sense now?
     
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    You are trying to reason to a troll who only wants to take the discussion away from the OP he cannot read less understand.
     
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    The same can be said for every paper I have seen trying to debunk global warming.

    The same pattern:

    Not published in an unbiased journal or even at all to be peered reviewed.

    Only the abridge version is available.

    Methodology is not revealed.

    Data sources are given, but no specifics of locations, times or similar.

    Released and/or "reviewed" by the same handful of scientist. With most having ties to the oil industry. Some not even having a degree related to the climate or it is not their primary field of study.

    There is a lot to question in this paper. Not saying it is wrong, but it certainly can not be reviewed properly by the general scientific community. What is released is severely lacking a lot of what is needed to do so.
     
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    :roflol:
    No, the oil companies wouldn't fake science so we'd continue to use fossil fuels and give them record profits, no, they are honest!
    It's those damn scientists you can't trust!!
    :roflol:
     
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    Double post
     
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    I would suggest you look into the history of getting leaded gasoline banned. Very similar to what is going on now.

    A handful of scientist or just people with a doctorate in something claiming it is natural.

    Those people had their research funded by Oil companies, worked for oil companies or received funding in some way from Oil.

    They cherry picked data, released stuff like what is in the OP. Something not published in unbiased scientific journals or even able to be properly peered reviewed.

    What is released in this paper and available can not be properly peered reviewed.

    Like I said they maybe right, but what has been released can not be peered reviewed.

    If they are right they need to release an unabridged version for peer review. It needs at the very minimum include their exact methodology, the exact time and locations used for the data.

    There is likely a good reason most "papers" being released to debunk GW fail to be published and lack vital details to be properly peer reviewed.
     
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    If you want to say that scientists are for sale and cheap, I am sure scientists working for oil are not as cheap as scientists working for the government.
     
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    You make my point.
    The scientists doing it because they love the subject rather than those who went to the highest bidder are the ones who can be trusted.
     
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    It is difficult to see where the red herring and hasty generalization start of lead gasoline and where they end and where the report is addressed.

    BTW the report was more than peer reviewed and more than by people of oil, if you ever bothered to read the OP.

    And it does not contain anything new.

    BTW I have no clue about lead in gas story, bu it is known that biofuel are not for engines, it is a crime to use arable land for it, and they make no sense when gasoline is cheap and ready available.

    Was lead another hoax or you never looked at it because you couldn't, like you have no education to be able to look into GW hoax and just trusted the word of the government as you do with GW?
     
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    I hope you are not serious in any way or measure
     
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    I did read it. You just do not realize who the people are that peered reviewed it.. I listed them already in one of my post in this thread.

    The one from the EPA worked as an economic adviser for them and his doctorate is in economics. The MIT reviewer is a graduate and not currently working for the university. 2 of the peers worked for either Exxon or Standard Oil. 3 of them do not have doctorates relating with anything with climate. Their doctorates are in mechanical engineering or economics.

    All, but one has some sort of ties to oil companies. The foundations some of the seven chair or a part of get the vast majority of their funding from oil and coal companies. Some of the seven receive speaking and consultation fees from oil companies.

    This paper has only been reviewed by seven people. It can not be properly reviewed since the only thing released is what most would consider is for the general public.
     
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    If there is no MMGW crisis, they aren't needed and their funding goes away.
     
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