Reverse psychology; Trump deserves full credit for two SUCCESSFUL vaccines

From me? Try this from me April 15, 2020.

 

kudos to you

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...said-about-vaccine-skepticism/?outputType=amp

 

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There was no interest obviously. People continued to moan about third parties failing to “protect others” while they themselves got fatter, drank their livers into mush (another comorbidity is liver disease), and continued to eat crap. Forty-two percent of US adults got fatter during the pandemic with an average weight gain of 29 pounds. I’m sure some of those folks are here every day complaining that someone doesn’t wear a mask or get vaccinated to protect their fat a** they didn’t take steps to protect themselves.

 

I weigh five pounds less. Does that mean I am at no risk for COVID? of course not....

 

Did I claim you or anyone else was at no risk? LOL. You guys....

Good for you by the way. You helped yourself.

 

Quote: You thought prevention of disease was synonymous with prevention of infection. How would you be aware of detail when you don’t even understand the macro?

I've promptly responded to;

YOUR OWN WORDS!............''I have no interest in the partisanship debate, but the claims the vaccines in use in the US are not capable of PREVENTING INFECTION inhurt acceptable rates. They can and do prevent infection and that shouldn’t have been misrepresented'' Post # 7

YOUR RESPONSE..........''You sir do not know the difference between preventing infection and preventing symptomatic/asymptomatic disease'' AND THEN.......''There have been several PF members who have expressed hesitancy and mistrust because of the misinformation about PREVENTION OF INFECTION" Post # 10

NOTE: I have not yet responded to ''preventing symptomatic/asymptomatic disease''........it caught my eyes, however, I kept elaborating on ''Prevention of Infection.

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The perfect world does not exist. The ''he said/she said'', and results turned out to be different is mainly due to a lack of wisdom......For example;

''15 cases will go down to zero''.........definitely a lack of wisdom, and IMO, stupidious.

''We have it under control''......VERSUS.......''At this time, the risk of an outbreak remains low''

AND MIND YOU that two SUCCESSFUL vaccines were promoted by both a Republican and Democrat Administration

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Mr. 557.........For your info, I have a sister who's married to a Canadian Medical Doctor, and both resides in British Columbia. She often texted me about their POPULAR/WELL-LIKED Chief Medical Advisor, Dr. Bonnie Henry, and as a pet project, I've been comparing her leaderhsip VERSUS Dr. Anthony Fauci. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry

PRAISES........

"In March, medical columnist for The Globe and Mail described her as "a calming voice in a sea of coronavirus madness". In June, Henry was featured in a New York Times article titled "The Top Doctor Who Aced the Coronavirus Test", praising the way that she has handled the COVID-19 pandemic.

''A book written by Bonnie Henry and Lynn Henry was released in February 2021 called: Be Kind, Be Calm, Be Safe. It describes the four early weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic''

APPROVAL RATINGS.......

First Half of 2020..........95%
Second Half of 2020.....80%
First Half of 2021..........75%

Question; Why her approval rating declined by 20%?

Answer; Mainly ''Damn if you do, Damn if you don't'' CRITICISMS

She was also criticized for a lack of transparency, and ironically, criticized FOR NOT MANDATING public mask usage. On 22 September 2020, Henry stated that she received death threats and, had/has to have security in her house.

Now, in reference to her ''lack of transparency''.......Apparently, SHE HAD HER REASONS..............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry

WHY AM I TELLING YOU THIS? Because criticisms about the lack of transparency, misinformation, disinformation, should have/should have not'' were broadly raised/echoed in most covid affected countries, both fair, and unfair.

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Next......I'll soon give you my two cents about ''Covid's symptomatic/asymptomatic disease'', and a good point you raised.

 

all kidding aside; did you see the rise in the sale of alcohol? You want to talk about something that causes weight gain and it's alcohol if not taken in moderation.

 

I lost weight in the beginning then later when things started to loosen gained 20lbs. Now back on eating less and exercising.

 

get out there on the bicycle. It's really much easier to increase your activity than to try and lose weight by cutting back

 

I can cut 500 to 1000 calories a day which translates to 1 to 2 lbs a week. Building muscle of course helps burn resting calories.

My old butt, shoulders, arms just doesn’t like my road bike anymore so I bought a recumbent which brought the joy of riding back. Used to love running but now have fibroids on my planters ligaments.

 

Your risk of getting covid is based on exposure, not your weight or the size of your mushy liver.

Anyway, it annoyed me that people who qualified for early vaccines based on our health department standards couldn't get them based on weight or mushy livers as all the local pharmacy chains did it strictly based on age. I helped some of them get in earlier than they otherwise would have whenever the local hospital had extra doses about to expire thanks to a connection I had, but really it was a CF of a rollout. I could have gotten mine much earlier than I did but I wanted to make sure people I knew in high risk health situations who wanted them, got them first.

 

When I mentioned prevention of infection you replied with links and information dealing with prevention of disease—

If you knew the difference you would have responded appropriately, not with irrelevant information.

When a person knows what they are saying is untrue we don’t have a lack of wisdom. We have disinformation if we are being charitable and a blatant lie if we are being pragmatic. “Cases will go to zero” in the context he was using was a lie. So were the statements by Fauci in March telling people masks were of little value and unnecessary. So was the statement “homemade masks are just as good as medical grade masks”. It goes on and on. False statements made with the knowledge the statement was false. This is not a lack of wisdom. It’s a lack of honesty and integrity.
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A lot of people liked her. I’m ambivalent. Don’t really care too much about Canadian politics but looks like she didn’t trust the Feds.

Should be interesting.

 

Bicycle prices have been crazy since Covid. Prior to Covid I was thinking about changing from my road bike to a more upright ride but there were no more $600 bikes to be found. So, I changed to a bigger seat and lifted the handle bars. We try and ride at least 15 miles each trip a few times per week with a 25 mile ride on Sunday AM. I hate being passed by the crew in spandex and their $5,000 road bikes who probably laugh at our 25 mile rides. That's ok because we head home, shower and go out in the boat

 

Before I quit running I was amused at the young gazelles bounding past me. I live close to a rail trail that is 25 miles one way so my eventual goal is that up and back.

I did some horse trading for the recumbent (used) so no cash outlay. I would rather have gotten a recumbent trike but they are more pricey even used.

Stock photo of what I picked up. The seat is made by Corbin and it has an air shock for the back.

 

Unfortunately you are incorrect. You just haven’t been told all the facts—again. You may want to take a few minutes sometime and think about adding some new sources of information so you can make better decisions.

We have known for a long time obesity leads to greater risk of infections including respiratory viral infections.

There was never any reason to believe Covid would be unique and when we’ve studied the issue we find obesity is indeed an indicator of increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Here’s an early study from South Korea.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1257/5897045

And this from a systematic review meta-analysis.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772071

Quote from interview of the lead Author by JAMA.

So again, what people believe is not reality. Even those who are quite sure they are informed on Covid know so little about it. At what point do we begin to question why?

I’m glad you did that. Thanks. I agree the rollout was not ideal. I was offered one long before most at risk people were.

 

Yes, alcohol was certainly a factor in infection and severe Covid as well. It leads to weight gain, diabetes, immune dysfunction, liver disease and is even a factor in decision making. Someone under the influence was much more likely to fail to social distance properly, etc.

Good point.

 

Quote: ''Should be interesting"

My case; For well over 10 years, I desk worked long hours/party hard, corporate first/family second, no time for a home cook meal, take outs, gained weight, and always on the go. Test Results; YOU HAVE DIABETES! any family history? NOPE. Prescribed Metformin Tablets, twice a day. TODAY, 99% healthy meals, moderate drinker, and I exercise regularly.

My Covid19 Early Warnings; I do receive regular updates from the American Diabetes Association, and read other journals .......Warning Article about Covid19.....''Like other viruses, Covid19......blah blah blah.......and .according to several studies of ''Last SARS'', diabetes patients had a higher mortality rate''.

Note: Said warning was one of the reason why I took a severance pay two years before a planned retitrement. Approx. a month later, and at several WH Briefings, Dr. Birx spoke about pre-existing conditions.

Had my two doses of Moderna, well-publicized, well-coordinated, well-distributed, well-informed about side effects.....NO COMPLAINTS!

Other articles I've read;

Study show Covid19 can cause Diabetes
May lead to Diabetes
Might trigger diabetes
Diabetes linked to Covid19

Agree or disagree?.........I can't disagree because I already know that a huge family of virusses may trigger diabetes, however, what about Covid19?

Republican Response; When in doubt, just take the risk.

Question; Do vaccines cause diabetes; According to several articles I've read; INCONCLUSIVE, and other studies have shown that it might, THUS, 5 minus 5 = 0

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There you go, in reference to Covid19/Diabetes, I've narrowed it down to YOUR QUOTE:

''but nobody was encouraged to lose weight, correct type 2 diabetes, or increase exercise even though these actions would have saved lives pre vaccine and post vaccine''

AGREE!


''because these health conditions are also known to decrease efficacy of vaccines''
''because these health conditions are also known to decrease efficacy of vaccines''
''because these health conditions are also known to decrease efficacy of vaccines''
''because these health conditions are also known to decrease efficacy of vaccines''


ONCE AGAIN, I'm type 2 diabetes, are you saying that my disease may have decreased the efficacy of my two doses of Morderna vaccine? Study/link?

 

No but clearly many Americans do. The power that politicians, celebrities, and influencers have is undeniable.

 

That's quite sad. I wonder what we'll do to such holdouts if this super-virus becomes even more communicable and deadly than it is now. There's a movie on Hulu called Safer At Home and it's setting is a couple years in the future where COVID had continued to mutate to the point where it was killing like 1 in 6 people or something. Governments had collapsed or split (civil war) and in America martial law was absolute with curfews and interment camps and enhanced police/military powers. I really don't think its impossible that we could get to such a point. We're clearly not strong enough, not unified enough, not dedicated enough to handle this thing as it is. So what will the future hold I wonder.

 

Where do you get these numbers?

 

Correlation does not mean causation and if recommendations were correlation data driven they would have encouraged people to start smoking instead of stopping it. As for helping others, just doing my part. By the time the jabs were out, I already suspected I had had mild COVID anyway and otherwise didn't have any real risk factors associated with the nastier versions. Never having had a sore throat since my tonsils were taken out in 2nd grade, I had a hell of a one New Years for several days after a family get together Christmas day from which everyone in attendance got sick with one thing or the other that they also suspected was covid.

 

Trump had nothing to do with the vaccine


the reality was, Pfizer was in trials before Trump set up warp speed

Pfizer started trials in April 2020, Trump talked about creating warp speed on April 29th 2020, after the Vaccine already created

Phase I–II Trials were started in Germany on 23 April 2020, and in the U.S. on 4 May 2020

Operation Warp Speed was active from May 15, 2020 – February 24, 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer–BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine

almost like Trump created warp speed after he heard the vaccine entered trials to try and steal some credit

and it's almost like Pfizer knew this would happen and choose not to let Trump steal credit

"Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said he decided against taking funding from the US government's Operation Warp Speed for the development of the vaccine "because I wanted to liberate our scientists [from] any bureaucracy that comes with having to give reports and agree how we are going to spend the money in parallel or together, etc.""