Riddle me this Vaxman

Fake Science kills.

"Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded."
Dwight Eisenhower, Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation, .January 17, 1961.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm

 

I prefer to evaluate Covid by one factor - how many extra shifts are ER and ICU staff having to cover in hospitals.

Using that information, I got vaccinated - no regrets.

 

~ It certainly has — recently more so.

This should be a presidential campaign slogan:

" The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded."

~ Dwight Eisenhower,
Eisenhower's Farewell Address
to the Nation — January 17, 1961.​

 

that it is, providing a vaccine during a pandemic can be very profitable and should be - saving many lives

 

Ah, yes, that new fact the fact free diet. 100% opinion, zero % IQ, evidence or facts.

 

that is the cost of excessive foreign outsourcing and excessive foreign imports.... and soon Artificial Intelligence replacing American jobs

 

Your 'pretty' sure? How do you know it wasn't something else? At least on one occasion. Since you weren't tested, unless the person your 'pretty sure' you caught it from was tested you can't know. And while certainly isolation is the best strategy (except in cases of prolonged or serious illness) testing a day or so after the onset of symptoms is easy.

 

What about the poor results?

 

the vaccine has been show to be safe and effective... and works on variants as well, not sure what poor results you speak of

the only poor results was getting some to take it as they did not trust Trump and think he rushed it through without proper testing

that may of been a valid concern on day one, but not anymore, millions have taken the vaccine and we have seen the results

 

No valid argumentation presented. Argument of the Stone Fallacy. Buzzword fallacies.

Learn what facts and evidence are. I will be here if you are ready to provide valid arguments again.

 

Why do you vote for the people who support that stuff then?

 

sadly that is our options, if someone of either party ran on reducing foreign outsourcing, they would get my vote

 

You sound like a pharma salesman with a rolling suitcase full of free pens to give away. Results show that this is an inferior product that does not live up to the advertising.

Democrats were more eager to consume this product tha Republicans. Democrats were the ones using heavy handed measures to pressure people to take it. Are you saying that dems trust trump more than reps?

 

Selling you a free product..... just an fyi.... doesn't cost you anything to get the jab

Trump got the vaccine and the booster


"Donald Trump recommends people to 'take the vaccine'"

Trump : "I recommend take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good. Take the vaccines"

 

Trump ran on reducing foreign outsourcing, and even has a four year record of doing such. Did he get your 2020 vote? Will he get your 2024 vote if he runs?

 

Really? OK Mr 'statistics does not have the power of prediction' look up Regression Analysis and then start talking to me about 'no valid arguments & buzzword fallacies etc.

 

how can you have statistics on something you have no data for?

 

Statistics don't have the power of prediction it's just a collection of data sets. People can use them to make any claim they want.

I reminded of that phrase there are lies there are damn lies and then there are statistics.

 

Trump did no such thing, in fact foreign outsourcing gained speed under Trump

 

What? You think the entire data set for the US on COVID is fictional or made up or whatever as opposed to merely being a huge data set containing a % of false data, duplication etc? Even though a margin for error is inherent to analysis?

OK then fine, just use the data from other advanced western nations as a substitute. The outcome is the same. This is because even if every epidemiologist and statistician working on COVID statistics in the US (and I remind you they don't all work for the 'nasty, evil' CDC ) are so incompetent they can't tell their arse from their elbows, the rest of the world does have competent experts in those fields who can and do produce valid analysis of COVID data.

And that data lets anyone in the world generate answers to the original question about the unreliability of COVID stats at the start of this stupid thread. Even if you ignore US data entirely.

That's the problem you have. There's a a whole world outside of the US where people 'know stuff' and do their jobs correctly which is apparently the opposite of what you think happens in the US.

 

Did you even bother to to look up the the highlighted words in my post? Or does learning something make your head hurt?

I am reminded of the phrase 'there are none so blind as those who will not see.'

 

If all you can do is make straw man fallacies or deliberately not understand my post there is no sense in Reading anything you say or attempting to argue in good faith with you.

You refuse to argue in good faith that means you do not believe in your position.

No I never said any data was made up. I never said anything even close to that. If you want to see what I said read what I typed. That's what I said.

 

I don't need to if they were important to your argument you would have looked them up and provided definitions.

It's not incumbent upon me to look up your bad faith argument.

And after your previous straw man fallacy I absolutely will not show you an ounce of respect in that regard. You are not an authority you are not smarter than anyone else in fact your dishonesty shows that you are not credible.

Respect is earned.

the only thing I'm learning from you is that your dishonest and that everything you say has an asterisk next to it and you should not be believed under any circumstances.

You dashed your own credibility to bets you can blame me if it helps you save face I'm a big boy I can take it, but I accept no responsibility for your errors

That is the meaning of the word irony.

 

Its not free. In fact, "free" products from the government cost more. Where do you think they got the funding?
In Soviet Russia, the government regulates the pharmaceutical industry.
In America, the pharmaceutical industry regulates the government.


I do realize you have good intentions and appreciate it. My advice to you is: Never eat anything that comes from a factory, exercise every day, keep the mind active/creative, and laugh several times a day.

Trump is an obese, elderly man that enjoys Mc Donalds. He and other frail, elderly people should consider their risk-to-reward ratio and take it.

 

Straw man?

Firstly I didn't claim you had made any the statement about US data . GO back to the beginning and read forward. That claim was made by gfm7175 (even though he provided no evidence to support that claim).

However given the the claim was made however it is entitled to be argued. I simply stated that if anyone thought US statistics/data on COVID was unreliable then there are other sources of data which were accurate (at least until such time as evidence was offered to the contrary). That being the case that other data serves as a perfectly good stand-in for data obtained from US sources and can be relied on to produce accurate projections and conclusions (again with set margins of error). This is just a fact, no more no less. SO until such time as you or someone else can prove all data sets relating to COVID are somehow corrupted the questions originally asked at the beginning of this thread can be answered - by statistics.