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Yosh, you are doing some strong posting here, but getting into scripture is exactly what the Muslims want. They will dig out details in the Qur'an, and even the Bible to defend their indefensible violent, terrorist behavior. You can not discuss with Muslims the way you would in a formal debate a college lecture hall. Muslims do not know the rules of structured formal debate. Distraction away from the facts, and name-calling, and repletion of losing arguments are their only defense.

[video=youtube;02-WhSCWnZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02-WhSCWnZM[/video]
Cons will love this a debate on Islam from ultra-liberal, Bill Maher. On Muslims Americans agree.​

 

Funny, I don't see any Muslims here defending violent, terrorist behavior. Who the hell are you talking about?

 

You do realize that the idea of concurring Muslims is "convert or die." You have been provided with 164 passages from the Qur'an that support that concept, and you are still trying to twist the facts. Facts, I might add that history has proven true. Perhaps we should get into the Muslim conquest of Spain in 711. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania Or, we can look at the nightmares in Egypt and Turkey today where duly elected Muslim leaders have turned into dictators forcing their conservative Muslim law on their countrymen.

The word is out on Muslims. Just for the record when Muslims insisted on building a Mosque at Ground Zero, that was the day Muslims put the final nail in their own coffin in America. Muslims will get their "rights," but they are also learning the power of American mass media, and the resulting anger of American citizens. It is all over except the clean up. Remember in WWII when the United States put all the Japanese American citizens into internmentment camps? Yep, it was all "nice and legal." You might want to think hard on that.

This is fact. Muslims have no concept of what they are up against when they anger the American people.​

 

What for? I've posted verses that call for exactly that thing you say
is not there. You ought to apologize.

You've proved at least one of them was not overtly telling Muslims to fight non believers. That's about all.

Look, you can claim
something doesn't exist if that's what gets you off. I've proven otherwise.

Fight with them, kill them, slay them...such is the recompense of unbelievers.
It couldn't be more clear and I don't think I can comment on your brazen denials without bringing up a possible lack of intelligence and/or morals in
violation of forum rules so I will say nothing at all and let the words speak for themselves.

This is Alinskyite b.s.
You haven't disproven the call of the Koran to slay and oppose unbelievers (indeed, we would have no 9/11 or Boston Marathon attack if this were not so). You've only disputed one out of 164 examples of calls to kill.
Apparently the more wrong you are the more viciously you go on the offensive. It doesn't work.

Taken out of context?
Explain how so. And only a small percentage of Muslims back terrorists and their savagery?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
I'll let you rationalize your own comment and I'm sure it will be "interesting".

This is a wonderful point. The Catholic church used to seek out and attempt to exterminate and prosecute Protestants. The West got through that phase hundreds of years ago!
When do you think Islam will stop killing in the name of their God?

 

Each and every point is countered expertly and with scholarly backing here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/juancole.htm

You may have found one verse (one!) advising Muslims not to attack until they are attacked first but that's not how reality played out.
The record of Muslim expansionism is lengthy and clear and from the deserts of the Middle East the Muslims made conquest after conquest until
they were finally stopped in France by Charles Martel in 732 or Europe might well have been nothing more than an Islamic appendage to go along with all the other territories they gained through the sword. http://www.sparknotes.com/history/european/middle1/section5.rhtml

The idea that they were too peace loving to fight until hit first is really very comical and history proves that a lie. As for Christians and Jews living through the ages in Muslim lands (albeit in small unobtrusive enclaves and as dhimmis....look it up) all this proves is, yes, once Islam has conquered
a nation or region they will allow some inferiors to live among them, as long as they know their place, never ever proselytize, and accept life as
perpetual second class underlings. Once again, go see what the practice of dhimmitude is all about...http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=761.

I advise you to stick to lies about Obama's economic "achievements". It really is much more work to prove you as wrong there as you are here.

 

Utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*). All you have provided is another bigotted hate promoting webpage that you do not and cannot defend, but continue making your bogus claims.

The MO of the racists and bigots.

 

I don't need to play Yosh's little games. His link, which he claims counters expertly "each and every point" in my post doesn't even address the verse we are discussing. Any one who wants can look at his link and see that for themselves. Any objective person can see how in the posts above he has changed the claim made about the verses, and how he takes a few words out of context to try to change it to his meaning of hate.

That stuff I'm sure impresses the bigots and racists and haters that want to believe that kind of bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

My post above very clearly and unambiguously how the phrase in verse 2.191 is in no way is telling "Muslims to kill people that disagree with Islam" or to "attack and slay the unbelievers" as claimed.

To the contrary, as proved, those verses read in context unambiguously are talking about a situation where Muslims are attacked first, instruct them not to be the attacker, and instructs them to cease fighting if the attacker desists.

I'll trust that honest an objective members can see that easily.

You'll never get the hateful, bigots, and racists to admit the truth. That is a waste of time. The simply repeat the lies. But for those who are honest and objective, the evidence is black and white.